I am feeling sorry you had such an experience with your system. There seems to be a range and distribution of how these states can unfold in the system. Evidently you have visited around with others who have had this version of experience like yours and who have themselves worked with it. It seems there have been some interviews with folks on BATGAP who had experience somewhat similar to yours, not all of it maniacal or on edge of a PTSD. There was a guy in town here a couple of weeks ago giving a seminar on the unfolding of spirituality and shakti as a field in spiritual life. That was helpful with insight to some. Some of the folks over on The Peak it seems have experience with it too and talk/console about it. Dang physiology and life in the body, best of luck with it and best of wishes for you.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <myenlightenmentdelus...@gmail.com> wrote : Wow! There are so many books! I was unaware of Prophetic Charisma. I wrote My Enlightenment Delusion from my TM experience and from my conjecture without having done much research. Prophetic Charisma by Len Oakes seems to agree with what I wrote about “guru maniacs”. The following quote is from https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/pdf/113-71-73.pdf: “To the extent that prophets are mentally ill, Oakes believes narcissism to be one cause. Narcissism places the prophet at the center of a world that exists for the prophet's pleasure. This unusual, self-focused world promotes insanity It also demands a high degree of creativity Hence, Oakes agrees with Lany Foster, a Mormon historian, that Joseph Smith suffered from manic depression, which contributed to Smith's high degree of creativity.” From my book: “I am using the phrase “guru maniac” to describe a person who along with having delusions of grandiosity during a kundalini crisis also happens to have the charisma, the gift of gab, and the ability to carry out a tactical strategy to attract followers. Most guru maniacs have an uncommon intellectual ability which they use to impress potential followers. The phrase “spiritual maniac” describes a person who is different from a guru maniac. A spiritual maniac has delusions of grandiosity related to a kundalini crisis, but doesn’t have the necessary traits mentioned above to become a guru. A spiritual maniac is more likely to end up in a mental hospital whereas a guru maniac can talk themselves out of just about any predicament. I did not possess the charisma or eloquence to become a guru maniac, but even I flirted with the possibility of becoming a guru when I had my kundalini crisis. That is the manic symptom of over-self-confidence. Since the guru maniac has the lexicon of spiritual literature, he likely sees his kundalini crisis as being a legitimate higher state of consciousness. Thinking that one is enlightened is grandiose thinking. A guru maniac has the ability to master the enormous quantity of intellectual blather that has accumulated in religions and yogic traditions over centuries. Being able to speak about the mishmash of ancient wisdom allows a guru maniac to speak with credibility and authority. Whereas most psychotic maniacs may have friends, family, and medical doctors letting the maniac know that they are delusional, guru maniacs probably do not have anyone telling them they are delusional. Instead the followers of a guru maniac legitimatize the grandiosity that the guru maniac sees in himself. And the guru maniac sees his grandiose self-esteem validated through his own interpretations of spiritual literature. If a guru maniac could see that his thoughts were grandiose delusions, he would lose his towering self-worth, but a guru maniac is unlikely to recognize his own delusions. As time passes, guru maniacs adapt physiologically and mentally to their kundalini crisis. They are able to have one foot in their grandiose delusion and one foot in the world shared with other people. Guru maniacs learn to keep some of their delusions to themselves in order to keep themselves presentable to followers. Guru maniacs walk the line between hiding their innermost thoughts and sharing their grandiose ideas about themselves. It is easy to understand how guru maniacs enjoy having followers who not only adore them, but are also willing to serve them. Having followers must be the ultimate pick-me-up. Guru maniacs eat up the attention and the power of having followers. Like celebrities and powerful people, guru maniacs have often abused followers related to money, sex, and power. Abuse from guru maniacs is particularly maddening because guru maniacs espouse spiritual principles that are supposed to aid moral living. I propose that after a guru maniac easily receives respect, admiration, and service from followers, the guru maniac can lose his moral compass. The guru maniac starts to think that he can do anything. Are all founders of religions and spiritual movements guru maniacs? It would seem to have gall to share original ideas on spiritual matters. Almost by definition, spiritual matters are beyond perception and comprehension, but even so, some people come along to declare things as facts concerning the previously unknowable realm. Founding or changing a religion would take a real gutsy person, or if not a gutsy person, a person in the midst of a manic episode with delusions. A founder of a religion would have to speak with great authority, intensity, and persuasiveness in order to get followers, and these happen to be the qualities of a guru maniac. When under the influence of mania, a guru maniac thinks he can do anything, and with his charisma, he can do amazing things. When I hear about either ancient or modern people who have spiritual visions or who hear from God, I think they had a grandiose delusion from a kundalini crisis.” From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2017 4:29 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Charismatic Spiritual Shakti, ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : "In using charisma to explain social change and heroic leaders, Weber did not intend merely to invent a dry academic term. Rather, he saw charisma as representing the incarnate life force itself, "the thrust of the sap in the tree and the blood in the veins," an elemental or daemonic power (Dow 1978)." -Prophetic Charisma.. Intro. Book Review: Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation for the Castaneda Phenomenon http://sustainedaction.org/Explorations/prophetic_charisma_psychological_explanation%20part1.htm Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation f... Prophetic Charisma: A Psychological Explanation for the 'Castaneda Phenomenon' Introduction by Corey Donovan View on sustainedaction.org Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : What of charisma, spiritually? Where is TM with charisma? Evidently it would seem that TM's charisma is now "dispersed and routinized, ..and not necessarily as great a force for social change," .. 'routinized', by this way of thinking: Prophetic Charisma: The Psychology of Revolutionary Religious Personalities (1997) by Len Oakes Introduction by Corey Donovan What is this thing called charisma? [T]he idea of a divinely inspired power or talent is as old as mankind. The oldest surviving work of fiction, the Epic of Gilgamesh, tells of a warrior-king, part god and part man, who quests for the secret of eternal life. He has many adventures in the lands of the gods, and even attains that which he seeks, only to have it torn from his grasp at the last moment. He returns home convinced of the futility of his quest and knowing that "the central fact of my life is my death" (Kopp 1972, 31; Heidel 1968). The word "charisma" comes from the name of the Greek goddess Charis, who personified grace, beauty, purity, and altruism. Possession of these faculties came to be known as charisma. [Footnote: The Greek word is charizesthai, and it means favor or gift of divine origin. The Greeks do not seem to have associated this with the kind of demagogic and irrational leadership of which Plato wrote in his Gorgias, although they were well aware of the rhapsodic "Dionysian" aspect of life; Plato was a member of the Elysian mystery cult. For Aristotle the megalopsychos was the great man who dares to live alone in secret worship of his own soul. The Romans called the hero’s charismatic power facilitas and believed it was derived from the gods.] Later usages derive from St. Paul, who saw it as a gift of grace from God: "To one there is given through the spirit the message of wisdom, to another the message of knowledge by means of the same spirit, to another faith by the same spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one spirit, to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy" (1 Corinthians 12:8-10). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : charisma? There are scholarly teachers, gurus who teach technique, and saints who give help and can directly transform people. With any one or in combination (scholars, gurus, saints) then what is the experience of charisma and where is the TMO now with charisma? Charisma evidently can fluctuate in time in people and movements. What is charisma? One author (Oakes) talks about 'prophetic charisma', on a different continuum than what we may see as narcissism, or narcissistic personalities and disorders. "Pure charisma thus is personal and is based on face-to-face contact and feelings of trust, duty, and love on the part of the followers (Schweitzer 1984, 33). It is creative and revolutionary, for "in its pure form charisma . . . may be said to exist only in the process of originating" (Weber 1964, 364). At the other end of the continuum, routinized charisma describes what happens when a leader’s charisma is thinly dispersed throughout the followers who act in the leader’s name, typically after he has died. It may survive many generations and underlie a stable social order, but it is conservative and is not a force for social change (Miyahara 1983, 370)." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesed...@yahoo.com> wrote : Nine years on, I'd exhale if I were them.:-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Ollie, yours seems a fair critique of the situation here by comparison. The True-believers of the TM meditating community are hopeful that Dr. Nader is that person though he is not too available to be experienced or quoted unless you have the money to be on courses with him. Those who have been with him seem to ‘like’ him. It remains to be more widely seen what the ‘nature’ of his charisma is in leadership going forward. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : True, the spectrum of consciousness available through TM and TMSP is complete, spanning the transcendental states of consciousness, and bringing one to Brahman. None of these other programs cover such a range, though they can be helpful in offering a new, partial perspective on the journey. The kicker with the TMO is there is no one living in Brahman heading the organization, so that these other programs are seen in opposition, and as threats, instead of seeing them as a partial picture, with the complete definition of the growth of consciousness always available through the techniques, and associated documents, and media of the TM program and TMSP. Without someone new at the top to put this into perspective, Maharishi's teachings are the only fallback, with the consequence of the TMO becoming less relevant and increasingly conservative. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Fairfield has a lot of active long going satsanga groups. The Oneness group has been on the ascendent in Fairfield for sometime in more recent years. AOL is active still. Waking Down, the wavicle group, The meditator churches are vibrant too. In a strict interpretation, these meetings should not be attended by TM teachers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yes, it evidently was a spiritually attuned meeting of a lot of old TM teachers in Fairfield, Iowa. The guy came to Fairfield through the Oneness group. Apparently the mantras were very well sung with good effect. Was yet another spiritually powerful meeting of Fairfield. Lot of our old TM community here was there in the audience listening/meditating with it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : Good - whatever it takes. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <olliesedwuz@...> wrote : ...sounds like the "Krishna Das" aberration. A billion Indians, and everyone wants to listen to a guy from Long Island instead. Like when they used to make the cowboy westerns and all the Native American parts were played by white actors from LA and NYC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : The original post seems a good reminder about the vibratory nature of mantras. There was a guy touring here to Fairfield tonight singing these mantras in a program downtown attended by quite a full crowd of TM teachers meditating along with the singing of these mantras. The TM teachers, many of them being re-cert TM teachers or old TM teachers who are being paid to be on the IA grant in the Dome did not themselves seem ‘confused’ by such spiritual practice as the current Dome badge guidelines for being in the Dome meditation would assert. [I did not go to said concert but a reliable report thus tells me so.] -JaiGuruYou ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <yifuxero@...> wrote : The significance of Gayatri Mantra http://www.artofliving.org/significance-gayatri-mantra http://www.artofliving.org/significance-gayatri-mantra The significance of Gayatri Mantra Bangalore, India Adi Shankaracharyaji, after having given all the knowledge he had to give he says one last thing, ‘O Shiva! You are me View on www.artofliving.org Preview by Yahoo
