--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "markmeredith2002" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Excellent list. Could be used for major and > minor "gurus". > > > > > > To me, it reads more like a "Test of > Characteristics I Don't > Think > > > Gurus Should Have." > > > > > > Even so, MMY doesn't do too badly on it. Some > of the > > > criteria apply to him, but a lot don't. > > > > Seems to me #s > 2,3,6,13,14,15,16,17,20,21,23,24,25, and 26 apply. > > And I'm not even including the "outrageous titles" > point, which MMY > > gives liberally to others but not himself, or the > "questionable > > linneage" point, as the jyotir math shankaracharya > linneage > > controversy is not directly related. I'm sure > there are some who > > would include the "opulence" point and maybe a > couple others. > > Folks who want to reinforce their belief that MMY > is a "false guru," like Vaj, can surely find ways to > make all the criteria apply to him. Likewise those > who hold him in the highest esteem no doubt won't > see > any of the criteria as fitting. > > The truth, as usual, is probably somewhere in > between. > > See my longer response to Vaj for the issues I take > with his evaluation. > > I can't figure out how anybody could reasonably > justify > applying the "opulence" criterion, for example. I agree with you, Judy. I took a look at some that "apply" to MMY and thought, hmmm? Not really. Another thing,as Jim pointed out in an earlier post, is that you go with your direct experience with a guru. You must interact with them directly and trust your direct, authentic experience. You can't decide conceptually beforehand! There are also different levels of interaction with a guru. You have the personality surface( of which most of these test are addressing) and the transcendental. When you and the guru connect on the transcendent level, the surface behavior becomes essentially irrelevant. My first contact with MMY was transcendental and deeply profound. That's why I just scratch my head at all this "surface" nonsense that he does. Curiously, my first contact with SSRS was only on the surface personality level. I experienced some darshan, but no big deal. Same with Amma when I say her, nothing transcendental. It took several times seeing SSRS and then the whole thing openned-up. You can't judge the impact of a guru on you by their surface behavior. There's a whole other show going on right below the surface, and that is the main act, not the surface. > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne > Moore. > http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
