Pulled along by the experience.. Good observation. In teaching TM I always asked that people themselves in learning the meditation give it a real go in a regular practice for some time to see what it does. The folks who tended to do this with some discipline were the ones who got on to deeper benefits and recognized what more meditation does. My wife was initiating, teaching people some years ago to meditate on that morning of Sept 11th 2001 and someone from then recently re-contacted her expressing a gratitude in having learned to meditate as a best thing that they have done in life and that they do continue with TM every day for its benefit. Jai Guru Dev.
Regarding TM being something you initially "havs0 to do", In the middle 80s I had gone with my brother's family to a Connecticut sea resort and wondered into a bookstore, where I found William Glaser's book Positive Addction. According to his research currently 2 groups of people, TMers and joggers, after several months of regular practice (I think I remember reading over a year) reach a point at which instead of "pushing" they are being "pulled" by their practice (the expression may not represent exactly what Glaser writes; my memory may have changed what I read). I also remember that he expands on some other interesting ideas (again, don't ask me for details...) which made his book one of the most original I read about TM. I certainly strongly recommend reading it (after Science of Beomg and Aft of Living!). Eustace -- Natal Transits Calculator http://emf.neocities.org/nt/nataltransits2.html http://emf.neocities.org/nt/nataltransits2.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Who will come next to revive the TMO? That is a very good question. There are now a few millennials, 30’s, 40 or so years old who grew up in this and are now initiators having taught a number of people to meditate. Some have taught some number of hundreds of people to meditate. You don’t see them at the top or even given the microphone to run meetings yet. jr_esq writes : I got initiated in July 1993 when Chopra was becoming popular and jyotish was mushrooming in Seattle, WA and around the country. That was when KN Rao came to the USA to teach the ancient science of light. Ayurveda and amrit kalash were hot too. Then, King Tony was crowned and the rest of the rajahs came. Who will come next to revive the TMO? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote : Yeah, that was once a core value teaching in TM, 'meditate and act'. Then it (also) went on to other stuff in the 1990’s with attempt at the resuscitation of the Vedic Sciences, Vedic culture, sanskrit, faith in astrology, yagyas, ayurveda, remedies and such. The bad fitting pink saris and conflicted ™. And, culture. The 'Rajas' and what would seem a relatively small Global Country of World Peace, https://www.globalcountry.org/wp/ https://www.globalcountry.org/wp/ Jai Guru Dev jr_esq wrote : Eustace, B Gita Chapter II, verse 48 states: "Yogastah kuru karmani."... meaning established in yoga, perform actions. This essentially is saying that TM is Karma Yoga. Eustace wrote : I posted here believing someone would have the answer at this fingertips or at least on a shelf nearby. Clearly this wasn't the case, it seems the book is no longer popular in Fairfield.,So I did what I had tried to avoid, buy the Kindle edition of the Science of Being ahd Art of Living, Well here is what I remembered: =========================================== This explains the significance of action and justifies its status as a path to enlightenment. This innocent, natural, simple process of perception and experience—from the outward gross to the inward subtle and Transcendent, and, from there, again returning to the outward gross—comprises the path of action^15 for enlightenment. ^15 The Bhagavad-Gītā calls it the Path of Action, or Karma Yoga. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Science of Being and Art of Living (Kindle Locations 5255-5257). MUM Press. Kindle Edition =========================================== Maharishi plainly states that TM is Karma Yoga. IMHO, every TMer who practices regularly should sooner rather than later know this. In those early for me years, I remember I had added an extra 5 or 10' at the ebnd of my practice, reading TM books. After Science of Being and Art of Living and the Commentary, I read Canelakos' book on the early research on TM, Bloonfeld's book, the cartoon book, and then 2 or 3 more that I came across, until I realized that the book I was reading was repeating, almost verbatim, what I had read in the previous book, and I realized it was time to stop. Ah, yes. And I already had the habit of reading all the footnotes and endnotes, sometimes the author conveys crucial information in there. A few years later I came across the very interesting Glaser's book Positive Addiction, and the I read 2 9r 3 of Deepak Chopra's books when he was with the movement. I haven't read any other book on TM for several years, and certainly there have been some well worth reading. But, IMHO, new mediators should hot skip the 2 classics, including the footnots! JGD, Eustace -- . . A few, As much as ™ itself is said to be effortless meditation it does take some discipline to do. At the outset it is actually something you ‘do’. I have these old cassette tapes from the India TM teacher training courses with Maharishi, outdoor lectures with crows cawing in the background and such. He says plainly that ™ does take some concentration (in particular) to do, to recognize what is going on and ‘do’ the practice, it requires a little action to do. So yes, TM it could be said is ‘karma yoga’. From that standpoint and then all those old meditators out in coffee shops when they could be meditating, are just ill-disciplined loafers.. ‘taking it easy and taking it as it comes..’ as if that is a spiritual practice in itself. sharelon...@yahoo.com wrote : According to the concordance, on pg 303 of SofB, there's something on karma yoga. Hope this helps. cardemaister offers: At least YF seems to be karma yoga par excellence: simultaneous intense action (karma) and "non-action", samaadhi (yoga)?? Thursday, July 12, 2018, 1:09:47 AM CDT, eustace10679 wrote: No, that's not it. I remember reading plainly that TM *is* Karma Yoga, the important issue being that after diving in you *have* ti get out and transfer to the outer world of action the what you got from diving in. That's why in TM extended practice -- without outside action -- is not recommended under normal circumstances and unlike other meditation practices. I remember reading it in the Science of Being -- and I've also read the Commentary. Maharishi's statement was straightforward and it did not involve interpretation. I think everybody should know about it. If anybody has the book handy and haven't read it, This statement remained in my memory as the most interesting in the book. And BTW it was written many years before the introduction of the sidhi program. Eustace: Several decades ago, I remember reading in the Science of Being and Art of Living (I think) that TM is Karma Yoga. Has anybody read the book recently and can provide an exact reference? It has to be added in the Wikipedia page, at least as a footnote, to counterbalance that "mantra meditation". -- The Meditation Meter Website http://emf.neocities.org/tm/meditationmeter.html http://emf.neocities.org/tm/meditationmeter.html
