What do you mean by “even,” kimo sabe? Nobody since him, with rare exceptions, has ever been able to touch his wisdom. And nobody has surpassed it.
Sal > On Aug 23, 2018, at 4:05 PM, [email protected] [FairfieldLife] > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Look, Even The Buddha said: > Meditation brings wisdom; lack of meditation leaves ignorance. Know well what > leads you forward and what holds you back, and choose the path that leads to > wisdom. > > > Hagelin's Premise, > ..there are bodies of studies now authored, collaboratively with other > reputable universities and institutions, and conducted independent of the > .org, published studies that have extremely high statistical p values and > then also aggregated high p values studies, replicated too that correlate the > effects of meditating. Gold standard stuff. > > So the premise is that at a point the plain truth of such a series of > extremely extraordinarily high p value published studies in the aggregate > simply becomes statistical truth. A type of fact. What they correlate becomes > fair ‘rule of thumb’. Unless of course as people may be anti-science or > don’t understand science this way they may not grok what is completely > current in the cutting edge of knowledge. This does not deny that there was > bad or poorly designed or poorly performed science on meditation that went > before. However, a sheer weight of the best of science is plainly correlating > that it is a statistical truth now and quite fair rule of thumb that > meditating has benefits that go with its practice. QED. > > > A premise large in assertion and direction like a Monroe Doctrine, The > Marshall Plan or the Meissner-like Maharishi Effect, now as matter of > statistical fact: > > It is time to rally to meditation by all that the best of modern science > tells us is statistical truth and by what we know more objectively in our > experience as quite fair rule of thumb. It is quite time now to come together > in collective meditation for all that is good. > > > ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : > > We are grateful to all those who came answering the call and sat up in their > meditations with us in Fairfield, Iowa. It has been our honor to have had > those who traveled from distant places join alongside us here in collective > meditation in these times. > > From time in memorium this is called the work of moral courage where people, > deeper spiritual people [transcendentalists] do this, come in to groups > meditating together for something larger. > > -JaiGuruYou > > ..ought ..the peace movement ought to organize itself along military lines > and get down to brass tacks. > > People make ‘claim’ things like: > > One: “..the movement's confirmation-bias tainted research”. > > Confirmation-bias may be a fault of some of the earlier research but > evidently not of the replicating studies done in more recent times. That > there might have been some confirmation bias in some of the research does not > invalidate all the science published on meditating. There is a lot of > discussion and rebuttal about this for open minds to consider at > TruthaboutTM.org > > Two: “..Maharishi did not even really know if this coherence effect would > really work, as it seemed to be based on a rather loose association of a > statement by Patanjali with a coherence effect in physics.” > > A: The process of science includes taking observation, making hypothesis > about observations and then testing the hypothesis. Maharishi was at that the > whole time in process from very early on when he left India to go out and > teach meditation until his final days. Throughout his long career he would > use the large facility of the ™ movement to advance science by this process > of from observation making, to hypothesis and testing it. This was large > thinking of an inquiring mind. > > The disgruntled and disaffected may feel and gripe otherwise about him for > their own reasons but what he did in persistence at advancing broadly the > science on meditation in the last half of the 20th Century and into the 21St > Century was monumental in its developmental way. > > Developmental, like with Copernicus observing: Although Copernicus' model > changed the layout of the universe, it still had its faults. For one thing, > Copernicus held to the classical idea that the planets traveled in perfect > circles. It wasn't until the 1600s that Johannes Kepler proposed the orbits > were instead ellipses. As such, Copernicus' model featured the same epicycles > that marred in Ptolemy's earlier work, although there were fewer. > Copernicus' ideas, published only two months before he died, took nearly a > hundred years to seriously take hold. When Galileo Galilei claimed in 1632 > that Earth orbited the sun, building upon the Polish astronomer's work, he > found himself under house arrest for committing heresy against the Catholic > church. > > > > > At start of Summer 2017 now, within this circumstance of consequence with the > collapse of the Dome numbers meditating it is terrible that the TM Trustees, > Raja and their apparatchiks had let it get so bad with the Dome numbers. > It is like the very people in charge who, standing in the way holding sway, > don’t themselves believe the best of science (even their own!) now published > attending to superradiance by attending group meditation. > > > In renewed social critique, > with the dislocations in society from rapid technological changes like in the > ‘social question’ of the 19th Century renewed, is there alternative here to > so much of what is in this postmodern time period’s spiritual agitation and > conflict-making, like taking a fresh alternative towards looking to the > science of radical peace-making? > > Is it come time for something radical, like a making of peace, going up in > magnitude to a much larger scale? > To go much higher than 1 percent, 5 in 100, much higher than the square root > of one percent of a group meditating. > > Is it come time now for new critique and something more. > In experience Transcendentalism has always been the critique to materialism > that has gone out of perspective. Given the stakes, it would seem in the > modern now it is time for revolutionary transforming transcendent > meditationist action everywhere. QED. > > > > ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : > > Yes. > > It would be far better for you look at the webpage of > http://www.truthabouttm.org/ towards engaging a much higher level of > understanding of these things. I only know my objective experience with it > all which I find statistically certain in many replicable ways for myself. > -JaiGuruYou > > [email protected]> wrote : > > Thx,....statements like this should be put into a proper perspective. As to > the Hagelin Premise where he basically says that peace follows from the ME > which is "peer reviewed" and supported by "statistics"; which "peers" is he > talking about, and who collected the stats. If Dr. Hagelin is reading this, > kindly provide the reference(s) on the peer reviewed journals, if any. > > .. > > If you're reading this, Dr. Hagelin, feel free to jump in and rebut. > > > > > > ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : > > Waging radical peace... > > Hagelin's Premise.. > > Peer-reviewed, published, replicated, honest-to-goodness, gold-standard > scientific research leads us to make this heartfelt request of you: Come and > join us for meditation in Fairfield, Iowa for this post-election period of > time. > > > Discourses at the Ammachi darshans in Detroit this week were a lot about > making a connection of cultivating/gaining spiritual strength from spiritual > practices along with compassionate humanitarianism, as you say. Light in the > body, feet on the ground. "Do the work." > > > > Yifuxero writes: > Thx, the case of a connection between Transcendence and compassionate > humanitarianism, perhaps can be undermined or even dismissed from a > Neo-Advaitic viewpoint by saying that Transcendence alone does not imply any > particular action. > However, recent research coming from several areas does indeed bolster the > connection between Transcendence (if done by enough people) and Global > Peace.; but I must object to the idea that MMY made those connections. > The new argument can be bolstered by merging 3 sources: 1. Sam Harris, 2. > The polyvagal axis theory, and 3. the brain's production of Oxytocin, which > is part of (2). > First, from Neurophysiologist Harris: (a reasoned hypothesis) That silent > medication may lead to increased awareness which leads to Empathy for others > (an ability to feel what others are feeling, in some way). Finally, the > increased ability to Empathize leads to what the Buddhists call Compassion > (related to the love concept but slightly different). > > 2. Second, the Polyvagal axis, already covered on this forum. Thx Doug for > introducing this to the forum.. > 3. The measurement of Oxytocin output after the subject engages in various > experimental activities. Oxytocin is the body's "Love molecule". For > example, petting animals might stimulate hormone. High up on the list of > activities that generate an Oxy response is Compassionate meditation: (silent > meditation coupled with a feeling of Compassion). > Therefore the missing ingredient not emphasized by MMY to any great extent is > Compassion. > > Shalom Aleichem > > > ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : > > > Yes, the Domes in Fairfield quite evidently are activating places spiritually > too like these places are for an individual or collective. There certainly > is a reality to that. Like sitting in gathered Quaker meetings meditating In > effect wages peace as place more profoundly founded in what is a silence of > their spiritual processes. Waging Peace now given these agitated and divided > times, the imperative seems to rise as we come to know more. This becomes > like a duty. Duty for those who know how to pursue and wage radical peace > spiritually. To the call..to help, > -JaiGuruYou > > > Yifuxero writes: > > On the topic of group vs solitary meditation, having meditated in Charlie > Lutes' group, the Shakti was quote powerful, but so was meditating alone in > the SIMS initiation rooms. But positively the MOST powerful Shakti site I've > been in was the Ramakrishna Vedanta Temple in Hollywood, CA. > > > Thx Jim, another great essay on your part that I agree with. I've come up > with a hypothesis that moral values (as a set of ethics, a major branch of > philosophy), can ultimately be derived from Game Theory. Some of the results > can be duplicated with a computer, but given the limited power of computers, > we would have to speculate on an overall conclusion with large numbers of > people.. > > Take tribal behavior. There's an optimum population which gives rise to a > cohesive tribe (I believe it's approximately 150 people). Too little, and > the members can't come together to formulate (not consciously), > game-theoretic rules which enhance tribal survival. Division of labor for > example. With too many people, the tribe may break off into sects that > ultimately war against each other. The more simplistic outcomes can be > programmed using game theory, matching what we observe. > > > > On the topic of Transcendence, I've come up with a new Koan: "Before > Enlightenment, an asshole chopping wood and carrying water. After > Enlightenment, as asshole chopping wood and carrying water". Thijs doesn't > apply to you. I'm thinking of people like Adi Da, but that's a judgment on > my part. > > On the topic of group vs solitary meditation, having meditated in Charlie > Lutes' group, the Shakti was quote powerful, but so was meditating alone in > the SIMS initiation rooms. But positively the MOST powerful Shakti site I've > been in was the Ramakrishna Vedanta Temple in Hollywood, CA. > > > > Shalom Aleichem > > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Call to Spiritual Order,Rally Now to > Meditation! > > > Waging Peace. > > Meditators! > It is time for > Waging Radical Peace, > > in groups meditating, this call now to meditation > is like A Moral Equivalence of War. > > Paraphrased, what William James would say to meditators today: > > ..Meditators, this meditation against war is going to be no holiday excursion > or camping party. The post-election feelings of division are too deeply > grounded to abdicate their place until better ideals as substitutes are > offered than the glory and shame that come to people and nations by politics > and vicissitudes of trade and commerce in making war. > > It is time, for > A Call to a (William James') Moral Equivalence of War: a radical modern > peace-making in meditation. > > Non-pacifists, James posits, are dismissive of the pacifist position because > they imagine that in the absence of war and the inevitable subsequent > atrophying of the military institution, the nation would dissolve into a > porridge of decadent, feminine milquetoasts with no sense of noble sacrifice > or ideals worth struggling for. > > By the positive virtues of war, James doesn’t mean the potential gains of > military victory: vanquishing a threatening enemy, claiming the spoils, > striking fear into other rivals, that sort of thing. He means the way war > strengthens attributes of the individual characters of the people (that is to > say: men) who take part in it — fortitude, endurance, courage, heartiness, > and other such things — and of the civic character of the nations that go to > war — pride, selfless collective effort, patriotic obedience, that sort of > stuff. > - https://sniggle.net/TPL/index5.php?entry=06Mar11 > > > .. Scott Ritter’s Waging Peace > ..thought the peace movement ought to organize itself along military lines > and get down to brass tacks. > > > ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : > > We are most grateful to all those who came answering the call and sat up in > their meditations with us in Fairfield, Iowa. It has been our honor to have > had those who traveled from distant places joining alongside us here in > collective meditation in these times. -JaiGuruYou > > Those of you that have been going to the Domes recently will be aware that > many of our friends from across the country have joined us here in Fairfield > over the last week or so, and they have helped boost the overall attendance > in evening program to over 750 people. > > If you aren't able to attend any of the official flying halls, please try to > do group program together with friends in 2s, 3s, 4s, etc., whatever is > convenient, and aim to start your yogic flying practice at the official CST > times of 8:15 am and 5:45 pm. > > Jai Guru Dev > > Raja John Hagelin and the > Ideal Community Group > > > Bhairitu writes: > I think Doug is lost in the nostalgia of early 1970s TM which ended when the > "self appointed" purity gestapo returned from AofE courses. > >> On 11/16/2016 11:01 AM, upfronter [FairfieldLife] wrote: >> Well, forgive this voicing of a different viewpoint, but this one's personal >> opinion is that one genuine disciplined meditator meditating regularly >> amongst 100 non-meditators is more effective in society than 100 meditators >> meditating amongst themselves - although there is certainly a beneficial >> social family aspect which cannot be denied from similar association on such >> a deep level. >> >> Besides, I personally have a different spiritual philosophy to that >> expounded by Maharishi, one which differs in certain fundamental aspects, it >> would seem, one which touches both my heart and mind deeply in a manner that >> leaves no room for the grafting of branches from other trees. >> >> I’m not sure I could listen to too much coffee-shop conversation without >> suggesting the smelling of stronger coffee all round. >> >> Jai Guru Dev. > > > > > > ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : > > FW: e-mail response, > > Try to meditate in groups with a grateful heart. > Remember all that TM has given you- is giving you, the countless blessings, > and return your gratitude to the source. > > Gratitude and praise open a channel for support of nature to come to you. > Listen to and read what Maharishi said about the Maharishi Effect. A full > commitment by individuals who gather in groups is all that it takes. > > Future generations will be so grateful when they learn about you--what you > did for them, this world, the future. And that includes the sacrifices you > made moving to Fairfield remaining true to your convictions and to the > tradition from which the knowledge came. > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > > ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : > > Quite a few of my friends meditate, and some are teachers, but most of us > live far from Fairfield, IA. > > >
