I have several friends, people I thought would surely know better. It seems with MMY gone the “head guru” field is wide open.
And I see once again people are granting themselves phony degrees and calling each other “dr.” Sal > On Mar 31, 2019, at 5:31 PM, feste37 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > I have seen someone get sucked into this "Master John" cult, and it is not > pretty. Supreme Grand Master? Oh, come on . . . > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > Book: > Supreme Grand Master John Douglas and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi: The Christ > Mission and Earth Ascension > By Dr. Susan Andersen, under guidance from the Divine Masters with a Foreword > by Dr. Christopher W. Hartnett and Dr. Linda Saint-Denis Hartnett > > Possibly more than a tax shelter church, true-believers shift to > true-believers of another. Anybody read this book? > > > From the book’s Preface: > > “By spreading his meditation to millions, he raised the collective > consciousness of earth. Only now is it becoming clear why Maharishi had this > task to prepare world consciousness for a leap in human evolution. He came to > prepare for the rise of a different civilization on earth. His was only the > first step in this world transformation. Another Master came after him with > more knowledge and healing that would lead to an ascension of earth to > another plane of existence, for this is the way a new human civilization can > arise. That Master is Supreme Grand Master John Douglas.” > > From the Foreword: > > “Maharishi Mahesh Yogi has given the world powerful techniques to transform > the individual to “know thyself”, to be orderly enough to begin to create and > exist in Heaven on Earth. Prior to his passing in February of 2008 , He > declared to His followers and disciples “My work is done.” This left many in > the temporary state of bewilderment and confusion. How could tHis work be > done and so many remain unenlightened, physically impaired and not Self of > Soul-Realized? The Vedic Knowledge He disseminated was complete and holistic > for the time. He blessed the world with the big picture, the goal, and a > vision of whom, what and where we should be, but knowledge continues, and the > demands and challenges of the new world also continue, requiring new > knowledge. > > ..Master John is here at this time to lead the “disruptive spiritual > revolution”, introduce the Angelic Reformation, discover the Truth in all > Matter, the Universal Truth beyond the humanly constructed world in which we > live. > > ..Our direct experience is that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the great saints of > our time have passed the baton to Master John. Maharishi created Heaven on > Earth, and the legions of Angels and Master Angels have come down and are now > amongst us.” > > From the last page.. > “..Maharishi prepared the way and told us the stories of Vedic Civilization. > Now it possible to actually manifest on earth. Supreme Grand Master John > Douglas is the reason it can be there. He comes with the Master Angels, and > he is one of them, known by his title and his cosmic role as God’s First > Angel, the Angel of Creation.” > > > https://www.amazon.de/Supreme-Master-Douglas-Maharishi-Mahesh-ebook/product-reviews/B07897FQ6K > > > The Church of John Douglas > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/434567 > > > .. > “Schismogenesis” > > > Quoting Atmore: “The idea of “schismogenesis” was first identified by Gregory > Bateson to describe the ways in which relationship between individual or > groups deteriorate. Schismogenesis occurs in several different ways: > factional schismogenesis , in which a group splinters into two or more > distinct group; apostatizing schismogenesis, in which an individual separates > from the group; symmetrical schismogenesis, in which individuals from the > group compete directly with each other, the severity of competition > increasing equally on each side; and complementary schismogenesis, in which a > rift forms between unequal partners playing the roles of dominant and > submissive. > > > Bateson treats the events involved in schismogenesis as openly recognized by > both parties. However, in my study of Fairfield, it became apparent that > schisms are not always overt and recognized by those involved in them. In > some cases, schism occur without the knowledge of one or more parties, which > I will refer to as a covert schism or overt schismogenesis. This can often > lead to overt schismogenesis (Batesons’ openly recognized schism) once the > schism has progressed to a certain point. However, this does not mean > schismogenesis is not occurring until it has become overt; there are still > social rifts forming during the covert phase. This necessitates a slight > redefinition of schismogenesis, in which the term encompasses all situations > in which rifts form between people, whether overt, covert, or in a processual > relationship from covert to overt.” > -excerpted from: Communal Societies, Journal of the Communal Studies > Association, Lane Atmore, Death of a Guru: An Analysis of the Postcharismatic > Phase in the Transcendental Meditation Movement. > Exampling Schismosis in Fairfield TM: > > Factional schismogenesis, in which a group splinters > What TM movement community meditators can recognize as a creed, a difference > with those who are seen as ‘devotee’ True-Believers’ with an orthodox faith > and belief and then ‘practitioner meditators’ who are here in a state of > experience otherwise from their practice,. > > A burning question of ‘sufficiency’ made of those ‘Off the Program’ (OTP) > meditators who had sought company of healers/ spiritual people otherwise of > their own wellbeing and then those true-believers who have not. > > (ie., driving factional schismogenesis administratively of cultural > organizational jealousies over monies spent on ‘non-Maharishi’ jyotish, > yagya and more in an active decades long administrative separation of > meditator membership from the communal group meditations. The affiliated and > the unaffiliated TM Fairfield meditator.) > > Apostatizing schismogenesis, in which an individual separates > Deepak Chopra, Ravi Shankar, and others for example (See BATGAP interviews of > old TM’ers with their own separate spiritual .orgs). > > Symmetrical schismogenesis, in which individuals from the group compete > directly with each other, > For instance: Jerry Jarvis with SIMS/IMS and Charlie Lutes with SRM. Also an > older pre-Siddhis era of a teaching movement and then an administrative > Morris-Patterson era guardian over ‘Maharishi’s knowledge’. > Complementary schismogenesis, a rift forms between unequal partners playing > the roles of dominant and submissive. > Socio-economic power differentials throughout: Money access. > Council of Rajas Patriarchy v Mother Divine. The Dome badge membership. > Re-certification. India and the West. Also, TM of before the Vedic Science > course in India 1993, and then after. > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > Cognitive dissonance, a TM v Yogic Flying Schismogenesis? > /Schismosis? Asking around here about the ‘schism’ at the time that ‘yogic > flying’ came out and people here are noting that a number of even their own > TM initiators who taught TM in the mid and later 1960’s and the very early > 1970’s did not make the hop over with the introduction of the sidhis and > yogic flying in mid and late 1970’s to TM. > > The published 1975 metrics of the TM movement from then catch a picture of a > time right before the introduction of yogic flying. Some of the teachers who > were then the experienced workhorses in a honed TM teaching movement stepped > back, separating and went on to other things in their lives. > > See the TM communal metrics from 1975, just before the advent of the > TM-Siddhis and Yogic Flying: > > 1975.. > > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/438379 > > Whether it was with the coming of the sidhis and yogic flying or the ,org > turning out of people at that time that happened organizationally right then > also; it seemed then a time of effect by something like both ‘The Great Leap > Forward’ and ‘Cultural Revolution’ in combination of short order. > I remember the older leader people of TM leaving retired aside and a number > of the boomer generation TM teachers turned out went back to graduate school. > My own TM initiator who was on an early India teacher course with Maharishi > went on to a longer career outside of TM as a university professor. > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > Q:The tru-beliver would look at it that there is a schism where people would > go off to see other gurus or spiritual people and groups? > A: "That is their problem and it does not have to have anything to do with > what people are doing out here in the community. But it is in the complexion > of the community that is here. That there was a falling apart in an aspect of > the community. Falling away from the group experience and the reference point > of that experience by administration." > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > Meditator Quakers.. > > A history of Ff’s silent Quaker meetings > #385494 Friends Journal article, The TM Diaspora... > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/385494 > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > “People, meditators are for getting done what needs are for themselves as > what they are getting done communally.” > > “Within the various meditator infused churches, temples, and spiritual > groups, in > Fairfield, Iowa this has not just only to do with groups meditating, the > transcendent is an important part of it, Maharishi got it off to a realy good > start, Jai Guru Dev. It is fantastic. We have a transcendent practice, Jai > Guru Dev. But the need to go beyond that in terms of how we are going to live > it, that is what is happening in Fairfield. Group practice wherever you find > it. The Trillium people, the Art of Living people, the Oneness people, the > meditators in the Liberal Catholic churches, the meditators in the Jewish, > the Germain, and the Hindu Temples, the silent Quakers, go for it.” > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > Yet, > People, practicing meditators were disaffiliated from the group? > A: Just on the intellectual level of belief by personality of administration. > The naturally limiting value of beliefs is that not everyone is going to > believe the same thing. Just like a forest of trees are not going to be all > elms. > And yet disaffiliation has happened. Separating people over belief > structures, over ‘devotion to the guru’, pressing an alignment to the guru. > That is really what is under the TM Dome guidelines for membership and how > they have been enforced for decades. A contriving of feeling that people > made promises and that people are in violation and should be punished and > separated. > > For example, > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/PXOdRY1SlUY > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > “Is it necessary for something to be strong for everyone to act and behave in > a similar way on a behavioral level? This is one of the amazing things about > Fairfield, Ia. is that it proves ‘no you don’t have to be’. That you can have > wildly different people who believe, have wildly different politics, > different religions, all of it, and ask them and it is TM where they all > started and are informed by. It is incredible.” > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > Using “schismogenesis” as an anthropologist's social science vehicle for > driving through the Fairfield, Iowa story becomes a whole different level of > exploration into the story of community. > > At a Communal Studies Association Annual Conference I presented a paper as an > overview road-map interpretation for outsiders who would look in on > meditating Fairfield, Ia. An irony is that locals are not themselves > necessarily able to fathom the meditating community.. > > The Text of that paper is posted as: > Describing Communal (Meditating) Fairfield, Iowa > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/communal-studies-forum/Hbd4EfxrbU0 > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > "..Is not this diversity in community with the transcendent experience a good > thing? That you could have such diversity exploring and such unified > perspective. Avenues of teachings, pathways or faithways that relate. > Informed by experience, is that diversity a schism or a healthy > diversification?" > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > ‘Schismogenesis’? What a hoot. Someone got their doctorate coming up with > that term. > > > Q: In a communalism that is here in Fairfield, Ia. it is interesting to see > that there has been overt and covert schismatic processes going on that is > reflected in subsets of community that are here. Academic, global country, > the meditating community in town. > > > A: Those are ideas, alignment of belief structure. This does not touch the > commonality of the experience in this which is consciousness itself. It, > the experience of state in transcendentalism, is like an ultimate unifier > even when groups get together in Fairfield. > If you go around a room of the meditating community and really ask people and > you will get people who are really TM’ers to people who are Mahur Baba > people, whatever they are exploring or have gone in to; or waking down, > Artee, mystic Christianity, all of it is informed by the experience of this. > In going around, in spite of that, we all can understand this because we all > know what we are talking about because it is in the experiential. This is how > deep does that TM community go. Does it have to be ‘schism’ or is it the > expression of diversity in the community of the experience. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > "..Some types of schismogenic behavior are expressed, yes. But what we have > here in community is there is ‘no schism is possible in consciousness’. > > She, the author of the paper is not going to see that because she does not > meditate or is coming in from outside, she is not going to understand what > that means and the implication of it and that is what really is the profound > quality of Fairfield that sets it apart from any other community because you > do have so many people that do have experience regardless of their faith or > their belief structure, they are informed by an experience somewhat, wherever > they are in it. That is why it is different. It just is. > > Not just around which of some Mormons or whoever woo-haw fracturing of some > group over some alignment, congregations of Christians, literalists or > whatever they are it is all built on faith, it is just an idea. Of course > they are going to have schism How they believe in hell, whether over foot > washing or full immersion or other sillinesses of course there is going to be > schisms with that." > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : > > In Fairfield conversation.. > > Q: Schismogenesis in the Fairfield meditating community? > A: On the superficial level there is some but experientially not so much. > There are going to be the whack-jobs like (..) that are fractured, the > mentally fractured. There is mental fracturing as that is described, but yet > again here he ( elderly demented) is again. He came to Fairfield. Angry > upset, rejected, and he came back, why? Because experientially there is > continuum here, there is understanding here built on that. Experience. There > is experience. > > In community of idea or faith that is one thing in fracture or schism. This > is a different idea here than a community of ‘faith’. To a community of faith > that is one thing to have fracture in faith or schismogenesis or whatever. > > > Thanks,dbraff8. You give a good example that is noteworthy in an aspect of > what is communal meditating Fairfield, Iowa having withdrawn or disaffiliated > itself from TM.org-Fairfield strictly, either covertly or overtly. > > A Lot of people have come and are now gone away and yet there remains in > community a diversity within a core set of values and practices in > Transcendentalism that stays on in Fairfield, Iowa. The next five years in > demography will be more telling about the remains. > > There is some, none and all of these gradation of schismogenesis apparent in > meditating Fairfield, Ia. depending on where you look at it. > Looking in to the sub-communities, the University, The Global Country folks, > the ™.org folks, MSAE, the Dome attenders, the meditating community young and > old out in town and describing them each relative to each other is a feature > of Fairfield, Iowa. Parsing gradations of schismogenesis within and between > them becomes narrative in a larger story. > > > > dbraff8 writes: > Fascinating. I Googled the author and title to read the entire piece. I > taught and practiced TM for over 35 years. It was invaluable earlier in my > life. I look on my spiritual journey as starting with being a devout > Catholic, experiencing spiritual malaise, finding TM, dissatisfaction, > flirtation with New Age "vacuity", and finally transitioning to a more > fulfilling Vedic teaching and practice. All the steps were valuable. It's > sort of like taking a train to a certain point, then switching trains, then > another. Each has its purpose and value. > > > . > > > >