In community..

and hurtful tendency exposed - particularly, that of coveting and grasping 
after riches. To obtain which, many of the members of our society had launched 
into extensive business - more particularly, in the line of commerce. And in 
order for the carrying it on, had involved themselves in debt beyond their 
ability to pay. And in order to keep up a false credit, had through a show of 
friendship and a deceptive appearance of having great possession, drawn in 
others to lend them money and become their sureties for large sums, until both 
the borrowers and lenders were involved in utter ruin - to the great scandal of 
themselves, the distress of their families, and the reproach of our holy 
profession. 1814

 Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism.. 
 and maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen. 


 Hauptman’s Federal indictment is on the internet to read.. then also hearing 
immediate reactions with how other felons have been in the flock, and some 
infamous names unindicted.


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 The Transcendentalists’

 In the ™ movement we were told some little details about Maharishi’s teacher 
Guru Dev, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. About how Maharishi first met SBS and 
also about how Guru Dev found his own teacher. On advanced training residential 
courses with Maharishi back in the 1970’s for those of us who were TM teachers 
there was a typed one page translated discourse of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati, 
of Guru Dev’s that was let to be passed around. This was the talk warning of 
the selling of life for the price of spinach. An advice that held intrinsic 
value that was important clarification, like a moral wake up, for people in TM 

 Discourse 59
 “After experiencing 8,400,000 births, we have obtained this rare human body; 
don't waste it. Each and every moment of life is very valuable. And if you 
don't understand its value? Then you will have nothing else to do but weep, and 
you will have nothing in your hands in the end.  
 You are a human being, therefore you have the power to discriminate what is 
good and what is bad, and you can accomplish the greatest human goals. Don't 
think of yourself as weak or fallen. Whatever has happened in the past, 
understand that it was done unknowingly. But now be careful, begin doing the 
type of acts appropriate for a human being. Discern for yourself what is good 
and what is bad. Adopt the good and reject the bad.
 As a human being, if you don't know Paramàtmà (the Transcendent), then 
understand that you have sold a diamond for the price of spinach. One does not 
worship Paramàtmà for the sake of Paramàtmà. One worships Paramàtmà to remove 
one's own sorrow, lack of peace, ignorance, and lack of power. Paramàtmà is all 
knowing, omnipotent, and full of limitless bliss. Through worship, one can 
grasp on to his unending power. The fulfillment of this superb act is the real 
purpose of human life. If there is no effort made toward this, then understand 
that you have cheated yourself.”
 The Sweet Teachings  of the Blessed Shankaràcàrya 
 translation by Cynthia A. Humes

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Later on MMY counseled a type of self discipline.. to be happy and mind your 
own business towards being regular practicing meditators and ‘on the program’ 
as a basis for behavior. This instruction would be a spiritual working ethic 
maybe different from social cultural ethic like the Golden Rule, that kindness 
seems overtly more to do with effects of behavior on subtle psycho-spiritual 
light-bodies of people. 

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 Evidently there is a behavioral axis between self-interest and altruism..  and 
maybe not strictly related to 'consciousness', as we have seen.  

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 A hardwired morality of self-interest v Altruism..

 In a core worldview that life is nakedly a selfish struggle for money and 
dominance the great act of moral decoupling woven through this in this 
worldview, morality has nothing to do with anything.  Altruism, trust, 
cooperation and virtue are unaffordable luxuries in the struggle of all against 
all. Everything is about self-interest.
 Powerful, selfish people have always adopted this dirty-minded realism to 
justify their own selfishness. The problem is that this philosophy is based on 
an error about human beings and it leads to self-destructive behavior in all 
 The error is that it misunderstands what drives human action. Of course people 
are driven by selfish motivations — for individual status, wealth and power. 
But they are also motivated by another set of drives — for solidarity, love and 
moral fulfillment — that are equally and sometimes more powerful.
 People are wired to cooperate. Far from being a flimsy thing, the desire for 
cooperation is the primary human evolutionary advantage we have over the other 
 People have a moral sense. They have a set of universal intuitions that help 
establish harmony between peoples. From their first moments, children are wired 
to feel each other’s pain. You don’t have to teach a child about what fairness 
is; they already know. There’s no society on earth where people are admired for 
running away in battle or for lying to their friends.
 Paraphrase, -David Brooks, NYTimes

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 MMY would tell us simply, ‘never do that which you know to be wrong’. In 
behavior by spiritual standard of what enhances or is withering to spiritual 
progress, certainly in life as we live it this would seem to say, in the 
pursuit of happiness repent those sinful ways that are hurtful to and against 
spiritual progress in your own life or in the lives of others. Repent! Right 
now, make haste!

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 From e-mail: 

 If one looks at all the criticism of the Mvmt over the years, most of it boils 
down to lack of 'development of the vertical at the expense of the horizontal.' 
That is a cerebral way to put it, development of consciousness at the expense 
of relationships, including ethics and mgmt, most of the rest boils down to the 
need for more professional training in the area concerned.
 ™’ers are not more moral or ethical. 
 We can't become a religion or ethical society by talking about ethics. That 
would not work for the Mvmt. We are here to teach transcending. But we should 
talk ethics and morals, esp ethics, among ourselves in the Mvmt. But I focus on 
mgmt for the reason I gave.


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 Evidently ethical behavior may not be correlated with 'development of 
consciousness'.. As in TM science research ‘moral reasoning’ is simply reduced 
and measured in standard testing as ‘quick thinking’ which apparently is not 
necessarily the same measure as ethical or compassionate behavior.  Long time 
meditators or gurus though potentially more ‘aware’ evidently are not 
necessarily more ethical. Ethical spiritual virtues evidently are felt in life 
by the human spiritual body and ethical behavior on a ‘behavioral axis’ it 
seems is cultivated differently in life by culture. Spiritually cultivated 
ethics felt and lived apparently is very much about the condition of spiritual 
life in the body (polyvagal?) and not necessarily related directly to a 
consciousness continuum of states of consciousness.

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 Yes, evidently the heart of spirituality is embodied in the Polyvagal and 
affected in its expression by spiritual practices such as meditation, culture 
and epigenetic stress. 
It seems that In an awake conscious life, as transcendentalists call this, ‘a 
life well lived’, that ethical behavior is felt primarily by whether behavior 
enhances or withers spiritual life.  That simple. A felt discernment of a whole 
of the spiritual human system of being. 
 yifuxero writes: 
 Thx, the development of the Polyvagal nervous system (physical representation 
of empathy and  compassion); appears to be (or can be) somewhat independent of 
the states of Consciousness mentioned by MMY.
 Thus, it does not necessarily follow that a person in (CC, UC....) is well 
developed in regard to empathy, compassion, and free from Narcissistic 


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 Spirituality and the ‘Behavioral Axis’..

 FW: a narrative:

 “People in the meditating community are not by any means fully developed, I 
see dysfunctional, disrespectful behavior often in and out of the Dome. I see 
people having a lot of experience of CC (cosmic consciousness) who often do not 
behave like saints. I know of one man who says he went into CC in high school 
and is now full of GC, UC and BC experience and often reports them to IAA 
anonymously. I asked an employee of his what it was like to work for him. The 
employee said, "It's all about him." and “That saint does not know how to treat 
employees / people”. My spouse is a friend of the  wife, and told me that the 
saint's wife said more or less the same thing about living with him. 

 Higher states of consciousness, and being on the path of them, is not all 
there is to sainthood or life. That's one thing that has become clear esp in 
the past years. There is the behavioral axis also. Ultimately, all is one, but 
in practice, these often need to be treated as two.  Otherwise, one ends in the 
mood-making soup. Administration needs to be skilled, and ‘sainthood’ 
appreciated and guided. “

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 Despite their zeal, in perversity they perish. 
 Om how humankind blame the Divine Pitrs.  
 From us they say comes evil, 
 but through their own perversity are more than is their due 
 they meet with sorrow.
 Forewarned, for vengeance follows.

 The opening council, Paraphrasing, 
 -Homer, The Odyssey

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 Communal Scruples? Asking around, apparently some individuals have been 
ejected from the movement community as sexual predators, copping conning 
abusing while using jyotish, or bullying a spiritual status on their victims. 
 Some number of years ago a flamboyant guy who infamously was preying on MSAE 
age girls was threatened with arrest by a father then who was an attorney and 
the guy subsequently left Fairfield.  
 Evidently more recently some guy who had been on Purusha was using jyotish and 
spiritual specialness to sexually predate young women and also conning money, 
the guy evidently was evicted from Utopia Park and kicked off campus. 
 Another longtime predator preying by specialness and general nuisance of the 
meditating community was purposely separated from the movement some long time 
ago is still separated and about.  
In more recent times a warning went out by e-mail around the meditating 
community about someone returning to town who had fleeced by con some lot of 
money from people in investment scams.   

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 Would be, communal norms..

 Yifuxero writes:

 The definition of unconscionable = doing something you know to be wrong?  
Doesn't make sense.  ISIS killers are performing A-dharmic acts that they 
believe are right. Belief or unbelief in an action doesn't dictate the degree 
of Conscionable-ness.

 Conscionable = Dharmic?
 I'm still trying to figure out how/where King Tony became rich enough to 
purchase a beach-front property in FL.

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 Evidently there are some communal scruples that can operate along the lines of 
the Golden Rule as members generally may become adversely affected by some 
criminally asocial behaviors inside or around the TM community. Though the 
processes may not necessarily appear transparent.  

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 Conscionable ..
 Is there anything that is unconscionable, in TM?
 “Not right or reasonable”
 “Unreasonably excessive”
 M would advise us, “Never do that which you know to be wrong”.

 Are there things Reprehensible, in TM?
 Synonyms for Reprehensible:

 Acting, or wishing to act, according to one's conscience; habitually governed 
by a sense of what is right; scrupulous;.
 Of or relating to conscience or equity.
 Legally valid; equitable, just. Now also in weaker sense: justifiable, 

..A weak link possibly telegraphing that things might not have conscionably 
changed inside TM was the mayor of Maharishi Vedic City ginning up some numbers 
to imply to an outside remote listening audience that the population of M Vedic 
City and the number of pundits residing up there are both larger than what is 
closer to fact. 

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 From Fairfield coffee house reviews today, about the 12 Jan community meeting 
folks were appreciative of Hagelin’s straight ahead report of how it was going 
for teaching of ™ in America, Craig’s talk of the University and Beall’s talk 
about the school.  
 ..Though while Hagelin and all were constrained in hyperbole, the Mayor of 
Vedic City evidently was not.   
 A weak link possibly telegraphing that things might not have conscionably 
changed inside was the mayor of Maharishi Vedic City ginning up some numbers to 
imply to an outside remote listening audience that the population of M Vedic 
City and the number of pundits residing up there are both larger than what is 
closer to fact. 
 ..Pinking up and seeming with a rush of true-believing while at the podium 
microphone this seemed an unfortunate confirmation.  
 ..As to what is up there in M Vedic City it is in fact enough extraordinary in 
itself that the MVC Mayor there really did not need to do what he tried. 
 ..Oh that they would know better by now than to foment any liability of lies 
and half-truths but instead could error more definitely on the side of the 
asset of honest truth.  
 Also from the Mayor of MVC's talk, he’d like to build a Maharishi 
Invincibility Tower there in MVC too. 

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 It was a movement kind of meeting.  John Hagelin MC’ed the meeting in the Dome 
to sync up with the International meeting.   He started by giving a report on 
the condition of the teaching of ™ in the United States, that is something that 
he oversees.  
 The metrics are encouraging in numbers of active ™ teachers, numbers of new 
meditators, a group of new teachers who are in training, collaborative programs 
to teach people to meditate in corporations,  military, government and schools. 
 The University report included an explanation of the new regenerative 
agriculture program. The meeting moved on with international reports. 

 The cushioned power chairs on the stage in the Fairfield Dome held more women 
than usual though the powerful men who hold more of the controlling ownership 
in the movement were more likely over in Europe with the larger January 12 


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