--- In [email protected], "Patrick Gillam" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- Peter wrote:
> >
> > You might characterize the TMO as a religion, but the
> > techniques themselves I have a hard time seeing as
> > religious in nature. 
> 
> I, too, have a hard time seeing the techniques as 
> religious. But there's been talk in this forum of the 
> mantras being devas that the teacher charges with 
> shakti before giving to the meditator. 
> 


> So here we have a funny situation. I've been using 
> my mantra for 31 years, during which time I've received 
> no hint that it is anything other than a meaningless sound. 
> Yet people in the know tell me it is an ishta-deva -- "the 
> god one prays most" (Wikipedia). Now, how do I convince 
> someone that TM is not somehow religious?
>

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Because the correct use of the mantra in TM requires that no meaning 
be assigned to the mantra during the practice of TM -- what meanings 
people want to assign or not assign outside of meditation has 
nothing to do with TM. Because Irishmen think a certain way about 
the color green does not mean that anybody else has to think the 
same way -- if Hindus want to see those meaningless sounds in TM as 
being associated with some being, who cares?







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