Ultimately the only value of one's relationship with a guru is if you become realized through their teaching. Judging the validity of other gurus that have nothing to do with your life is just an exercise in arrogance and continued attachment to a concept/story of what you think enlightenment is. And what is the foundation of your assessment? Waking state? Then your criteria is whether they please your ego or not!
--- coshlnx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > re: previous post asking about the new Advaitins and > if there's > anything negative that can be said about them. I > call them Neo- > Advaitins. > Most are non-progressivists in the traditions of > Ramana Maharshi and > Nisargadatta Maharaj. HWL Poonja, a disciple of RM, > has spawned a > sizeable brood of these creatures. There are > numerous links to other > Neo-Advaitins such as Gangaji, Ramesh Balsekar, etc. > HWL Poonja's message is that you should give up all > techniques and > just "BE"! As you might expect, he doesn't approve > of TM, since TM is > accompanied by a progressivist orientation (which I > agree with); > which arises in the context of talking about the > physiological > counterpart to Enlightenment. That is, culturing the > nervous system > is the physical "unstressing" counterpart to linear > evolution. Year > 1,2,3...of practicing TM brings on a greater > accumulation of benefits > of a progressive nature: more global awareness, less > stress, etc; > and, although it's quite possible for somebody to > become Enlightened > immediately in the presence of somebody like Ramana > Maharshi (as HWL > Poonja was apparently, according to his own > testimony), it's > statistically unlikely. > An alternative explanation for the anti-technique > viewpoints of the > Neo-Advaitins is simply that they are total dunces > when it comes to > the technology of evolution . > Two questions are important here: (at least) > 1. What is the result of following such a Guru (as > any of the Neo- > Advaitins). Do they turn you on spiritually > speaking? If so, how and > what are some concrete results. > 2. Are there factual errors in their statements? > 3. Does the worldview of reality presented by such > persons as Ramesh > Balsekar mesh with your own conceptions/observations > on reality? > > I recommend that you read "The Euphoric Nihilism of > Ramesh Balsekar" - > by Chris Parish, and editor at "What is > enlightenment" Magazine. > You can find it at > http://www.tinyurl.com/74qbj > Other article on Ramesh Balsekar (a typical > Neo-Advaitin) may be > found at > http://www.tinyurl.com/a22qt and > http://www.tinyurl.com/au8kv > This should give you an idea of what the > Neo-Advaitins are all > about!... > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and > poor with hope and healing > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
