--- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jan 9, 2006, at 10:20 AM, authfriend wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Jan 8, 2006, at 8:29 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> The ME theory is a large numbers theory. The crime rate of
> > >>>
> > > Fairfield
> > >
> > >>> could be skewed by having a single pickpocket living among the
> > >>> sidhas. For that matter, the traffic accident rate during the
> > >>>
> > > Taste
> > >
> > >>> of Utopia course could go up because the town's adult 
population
> > >>>
> > > more
> > >
> > >>> than doubled (tripled) during that time. To accurately 
measure the
> > >>> predicted claims of the ME, you would need a much larger
> > >>>
> > > statistical
> > >
> > >>> sample population for them to effect than Fairfield, IA, like
> > >>> Washington, DC.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Just another TB rationalization to avoid accepting the obvious.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Not real familiar with statistical principles,
> > > are you?
> > 
> > Trained in advanced statistics...does that count?
> > 
> > The variables he mentioned could be accounted for--and the TMO 
is  
> > certainly adept at number crunching and ambiguation.
> > 
> > The fact that Crystal Meth is on the increase in the areas all 
around  
> > FF might be harder to hide.
> > 
> > Maybe attracting factory Hog Farms is actually what CCP's do? 
Like  
> > mosquitoes to a light bulb?
> > 
> > While the ME is an interesting hypothesis, that's all it really 
is at  
> > this point. Since repetition of these studies seems rather 
unlikely,  
> > it most likely will just remain fringe- or pseudo-science. But 
for  
> > some people it will be hard to let go of these dreams of glory 
daze  
> > and rising sunshine.
> 
> The purported math behind the ME has been clearly expressed 10,000
> times - the square root of 1% of any given population.  That's not a
> large number theory - it means it's easier to achieve the effect for
> large populations that you would think because a square root is
> involved.  When group program was established here it was always
> stated that it would have the greatest effect here locally - it was
> never stated that it would only have an effect nationally, and not 
any
> effect locally, due to some large number theory.  So anyway, when 
did
> hagelin or anyone say DC was a big enough sample but not fairfield 
(or
> apparently any of the original 1% cities)? What exactly is the 
stated
> minimize size? 
> 

You're missing the point. While the ME might have the greatest effect 
locally, the effect might also be most easily swamped by local 
variations that overwhelm the slight effects that you might see from 
the ME. Let's consider the case of 1 person doing Yogic FLying. 
OBviously, Yogic Flying will have the greatest effect on that person, 
rather than on the people arround him. For the ME to work as you 
suggest, that 1 person should overwhelm the negativity of 10,000 
people since 1% of 10,000 is 100, and 1% of 100 is 1.

Of course, the TMO has NEVER claimed that one person alone doing 
Yogic Flying is going to have a measureable effect on 10,000 people, 
so your intuition is wrong.

> It's all irrelevant anyhoo ... the tmo moved away from standard ME
> theory and into the miracle of pundits a long time ago, and is now
> moving away from the miracle on pundits and into rebuilding the 
world
> with east facing rectangles as the solution to all problems.  Just
> listen to the jan 12 broadcasts and you'll see.

That might all be. That doesn't change any aspect of what was claimed 
for the ME and, as far as I know, is still being claimed for the ME.

> 
> Whatever you think of ME as a theory, it's on the way out in the tmo
> because the tmo raised a gadzillion dollars over the past 20 yrs and
> still didn't spend a fraction of it to establish a ME group that 
could
> have solved all the problems in the world according to ME theory. 
> That's just raised too much doubt in people's minds for it to 
continue
> being a bona fide fund-raising approach anymore.
>

That might be also.






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