The fetus is right-side-up until shortly before labor begins and then it turns upsidedown.
--- Premanand Paul Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > RE: Guru Dev's nine months upside down in a woman > > There are two published translations of the Hindi > biography of Guru > Dev. The most widely available is 'The Whole Thing > The Real Thing' > which is a 'transcreation' (not necessarilly a > precise translation) > into English of material previously only available > in Hindi. Raj > Varma (MMY's uncle) later published 'Strange Facts > about a Great > Saint' in which he offered a closer translation of > many of the > stories of Guru Dev. The tale referring to the time > spent in the womb > is a case in point, comparison of the two texts is > revealing:- > > "I spent nine months in intimate contact with you > womenfolk. How > shabbily was I treated? Hung upside down in solitary > confinement in a > dark, damp, dingy cell - I can never forget those > days. That is the > reason why I have lost all desire for your company." > TWTTRT > > "I lived in the company of you people for nine > months. What was my > condition at that time? It was reverse. I was > tightly bounded from > all sides and there were sufferings beyond limits. > In this > troublesome way I had passed nine months. Those > days, I still > remember. This is the reason why I do not have the > least desire to be > in the company of women folk." TSTaaGS > > Perhaps they appear similar, but Raj's rendering, > the more accurate, > is free of the criticism that he was treated > 'shabbily' which colours > the reading somewhat. For those with Hindi speaking > friends, I offer > Guru Dev's actual words, as given in an ashram > publication:- > > "main aap logon ke samsarg men nau mahine raha. us > samay meri kaisi > dasha thi! ulate yange the, bandhanon men jakadaa > tha kashta ka > paravar na tha. is prakar malamutra ke bhanda men > nau mahine bit > gaye. ve dina mujhe aaj bhi nahin bhulate. yahii > karana hai ki aap > logon ke sampark ki ichchha nahiin karata." > > 'Itrans' version of the Hindi:- > " maiM aapa logoM ke saMsarga meM nau mahiine rahaa > . usa samaya > merii kaisii dashaa thii ! ulaTe Ta.Nge the , > bandhanoM meM jaka.Daa > thaa kashhTa kaa paaraavaara na thaa . isa prakaara > malamuutra ke > bhaa.NDa meM nau mahiine biita gaye . ve dina mujhe > aaja bhii nahiiM > bhuulate . yahii kaaraNa hai ki aapa logoM ke > samparka kii ichchhaa > nahiiM karataa ." - shrii jyotirshhpiiThoddhaaraka > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Hi Rick, still have no account on FFL. > > But would like to suggest this. > > > > In the 70s, someone in germ-any brought some stuff > from India, which > > was > > "sermons by GD", and printed them. mmy asked him > not to do that and > > not to distribute. > > He agreed on that, and later said, he was hugged > on the inner level > > by mmy, saying, "this is my realm", (or area or > responsibility...) > > > > On two quotes from GD, I would say, he also was > limited. > > One was your quote about being nine months upside > down in a woman. > > But if we look at it, it`s not the woman`s design. > Every woman, if > > she had the choice, would hold the child nine > months to her heart. > > As far as I know, that is the design of...... I > forgot, really... > > > > 2nd quote was, that he allowed himself to be > whorshipped, since the > > vedas accepted that for a teacher. > > This is nice, but for me not adequate for our > time. > > Authority is based (for me) either on love or > > competence. Not written somewhere.... > > > > As I wrote to Premanand: > > If enlightenment is a "science", than for sure we > are here to > > unfold it, even improve it. > > like math or space science, or whatever.... > > > > cheers > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > --------------------~--> > Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and > poor with hope and healing > http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! 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