--- In [email protected], anonybliss_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Thus, "I pray to God", subject to object, structures our initial > cognitive "takes" on and grokingess of God.
Grokingness ? >But further experience > seems to reshape and overcome this faulty and leaky cognitive > structure. For example, in doing puja, Subject (here) is sublimely > enlivenend, and the same Subjectivenss is enlivened "there". In > offerings and final bowing and surrender its enlivened Subject merging > with enlivened Subjectness. Not subject bowing to object -- as > language initially sturctures the relationship. Do you find that surrender and fusion is similar to that when making love? Though the latter I guess doesn't last, it ends like hitting a brick wall. > (I use papji's term "Subject" here, though that is not a perfect word > for it implies "somebody". ) > > Same with yagyas, if you have attended them, and particulary if you > have been able to participate in the offerings. That same Subject is > enlivened, and the whole "out there" "glows" and breaths in that same > Subjectness. In each offering, Subject offers to Subject. Maybe its not related to what you mean, but I get a similar sense in serving others. Only there is no other. > Another example occurred when I was in Thailand. In some museums there > are literally 1000's of Buddha statues. Many from monestaries. They > seem alive with "that same stuff" -- as puja and yagyas. After a > while, walking past one after another, and bowing slightly physically, > and completely internally, upon obtaining audience with each one, one > after another, hundreds after hundreds, it was all Subject bowing to > Subjectness. The crucifix to me symbolizes surrender. And it can vibrate that. Crucification of the ego. When there is no "i" there is no other. In communion or walking meditations, to me its the same eminence flowing into eminence. Maybe like you describe with Buddhas. > In day to daylife, particuary in walks in nature, trees and flowers, > even the ground can be "alive" with Subjectness. > > In more inner life, when we want to "explore" God, where do we look? > Its into that Subjectness "stuff" we 'peer" and swim. Not in things. > (Though we may swim in the Subjectness of things.) God's love is what we are. God's love flows, melts towards God's Love. > I assume all of these things are what Maharishi refers to as > "Self-Referal" -- though I sense, and experience, that there are > several levels of meaning of the phrase. Just as there is for > "Knowledge is Structured in Consciousness." > > I am sure these things are common experinces. Thus "God" as Subject > does not seem an extraordinary view -- its common in many scriptures, > and explicit in many types of experiences, such as above. So I am > trying to understand what you find extraordinary in this passage. Is > it "You are the object" in contrast to God as Subject? > > I read that as simply a recognition of "dual" nature -- we, > bodies/minds etc are "object" when "praying" to God=Subject, so its a > funny contrast -- object praying to Subject" but the experience is > Subject merging into Subject. Like puja. "So you merge into the > subject so that no object is left behind. Nobody is left." > > What am I missing that you find extraordinary in this passage? > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
