--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "hugheshugo" 
> <richardhughes103@> wrote:
> >
> > Seriously though. Apparently some drugs have been developed which
> > prevent the formation of bad memories by stopping the synapses 
> > from holding strong negative experiences and thus is a cure for 
> > post traumatic stress disorder. They have to be taken immediately 
> > after the traumatic event though.

There are two types being researched, one that is
given immediately after the event and another that
seems to work on long-term memories.  They appear
to work on the principle that traumatic memories
are stored in the brain differently than ordinary
memories; the process involves different chemicals.
The drugs, they think, block the trauma-memory
chemicals that create memories that evoke PTSD.

> > Could be the Dalai Lama is closer than he thinks.
> 
> Unless there have been new developments, I kinda
> doubt this is true,

These are new developments:

http://tinyurl.com/da36v

 at least not the way you said
> it. There are drugs that, if taken shortly after
> an event, can erase *all* memories. They are 
> remarkably "timeable," meaning that they can be
> used to erase all memories starting an hour earlier,
> or a day earlier, or even a couple of days earlier.
> But *all* memories go, not just the "negative" ones.

Actually the type of drug you go on to describe is
very commonly used for minor surgical procedures in
which the patient does not require general anesthesia.
It apparently works not by "erasing" memories but by
preventing them from being formed, or preventing them
from passing into long-term memory, while the
procedure is taking place.

I've had it several times for oral surgery.  There's
no "timing" involved, but it can cause amnesia for a
short period before it begins to be administered.  (It
doesn't for me, but it's highly individual.)

> I had a subjective experience of these drugs without
> my consent when I had a minor surgical procedure a
> few years ago.

Well, not the kind you describe above, since it was
given to you *before* the surgery, not after it.

 During the procedure, during which
> I had to be awake, they inserted a tube with a TV
> camera on it down my throat and took pictures. I
> am perverse enough that I was actually looking 
> forward to seeing what my innards looked like, real-
> time. But the last thing I remember about the whole
> procedure was the doctor saying, "I'm going to start
> this IV drip right now...it contains a mild anti-
> anxiety drug and an amnesiac."
> 
> Bam! The next thing I remember is "coming to" in a
> waiting room an hour later, remembering nothing. I
> was awake during the entire operation, but can
> remember nothing of it. An entire hour of my life
> was surgically removed from my memories.
> 
> Fascinating experience, but the doctor should really
> have told me he wanted to give me this drug and
> allowed me to make the decision about whether I 
> wanted him to.  He did not.

He should have told you about any drugs he was
administering to you, but you might not have had
a choice about taking this one if you wanted to
have the procedure done.  The surgeon can't take
the chance that you'll freak if you're alert.  It's
not just a question of whether you think it would
be fun to see your innards, it's a question of
whether you might start to thrash around with a
camera *and* surgical instruments in your innards,
which could cause very serious damage.  If only
your short-term memory is working, so that there's
no continuity to the pain perception, that's much
less likely to happen.

The alternative would be general anesthesia so you
wouldn't feel any pain, but as you say, that wasn't
an option in this situation.






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