Whats that river in Egypt someone mentioned? It is indeed a beautiful
thing. 


--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], a_non_moose_ff <no_reply@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], a_non_moose_ff <no_reply@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > AND many book buyers depend on these lists to narrow down the 
> list 
> > > > of books they will consider buying.
> > > 
> > > That's actually a much smaller factor in the
> > > equation.  MUCH smaller.  And it doesn't kick in
> > > until the book has been on the lists for at least
> > > a few weeks.
> > 
> > And thats your opnion. Fine. I have a different view.
> 
> Again, it ain't an opinion, it's facts and statistics.
> 
> > > > >One thing you need to bear in mind is that best-
> > > > seller status is not some prize awarded for the
> > > > quality of a book;  
> > > > 
> > > > I disagree, per above.
> > > 
> > > Well, it's not a matter of disagreement; it's a
> > > matter of fact.  And certainly nothing you said
> > > above is relevant to this point.
> > 
> > Ah. Its FACT. Why didn't you say so. Well if its a FACT, I have no
> > case. Oh, btw, who and what deterimined it a FACT? 
> 
> The book industry, of course.
> 
> > > You would have a great deal of difficulty finding
> > > anyone knowledgeable about publishing who would
> > > say best-seller lists are a measure of the quality
> > > of the books on them.
> > 
> > BZZZZ another STRAWMAN!! I never said they were.
> 
> Yes, you did.  See above.  You said you disagreed
> that best-seller lists were not a measure of the
> quality of a book.
> 
> > > > And "ethics" is a bit of a
> > > > strawman. My concern was "deception". 
> > > 
> > > Er, deception is generally considered unethical.
> > 
> > Really? Then many political speeches, half of advertizing, 90% of
> > dating is unethical. Should we line the bastards up and shoot them?
> 
> Speaking of straw men, you mean?
> 
> > > > To me, "decption" /slight of hand is more objective. It 
> happenend or
> > > > it didn't. Ethics is in the eye of the beholder. 
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > I think thats deceptive. You may 
> > > differ.I  may draw the line higher than you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > No, you're just ignorant of how the publishing
> > > > > industry works. 
> > > > 
> > > > Thats funny. "I think thats deceptive. You may differ.I 
> > > > may draw the line higher than you." is an invalid statement
> > because [I am] just ignorant of how the publishing 
> > > >  industry works." ?????????
> > > 
> > > Yes, indeedy.
> > 
> > HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. My values should be based on how [youpercieve]
> > some industry works. Preious. Gosh, I could never make this stuff 
> > up.
> 
> As I said, that you can't understand why your
> "values" in this situation don't make any sense
> is a function of your ignorance of how the book
> industry works.
> 
> <snip> 
> > > > >Enron's ploy
> > > > > involved other people's investments.  People lost
> > > > > their life's savings as a result.  Who lost money
> > > > > as a result of Chopra's ploy?
> > > > 
> > > > Obviously the book sellers and authors whose book would have 
> > > > been on the best seller list had the chopra book campaign not 
> > > > used slight of hand practices.
> > > 
> > > You're still not getting it (willfully at this point,
> > > I suspect).  The booksellers, obviously, wouldn't
> > > have lost any money at all; more likely they'd have
> > > lost money *without* the Chopra campaign.
> > 
> > UM Read what I wrote.
> > 
> > > > "Obviously the book sellers and authors whose book WOULD have
> > > > been on the best seller list had the chopra book campaign not 
> > > > used slight of hand practices."
> 
> You think there are book sellers who sell only one
> book??
> 
> > You are saying that the publishers of the margianl book that got
> > bumped because of Chopra manuveur mad more money?????? Holy Shit!
> 
> Oh, you meant *publishers*, not booksellers.  See,
> those are two different categories in publishing
> industry terminology.
> 
> Maybe that's why you're so confused.
> 
> I hate to tell you this, but publishers are in
> competition with one another.  That's another aspect
> of marketing, competition.  If you want a best-seller,
> you have to spend money promoting it, or you have to
> find another way to promote it, such as, for instance,
> demonstrating that a substantial number of people were
> so enthused about Chopra that they bought his book as
> soon as it came out.
>






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