--- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "anonyff" <anonyff@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Judy, I did not think your point was the taking on of the 
dharma of 
> > > another,
> > 
> > OK, I wasn't sure.
> > 
> >  but I do think there are some similarities between attuning 
> > > one's mind/consciousness to the mind/consciousness of another, 
> > > whether or not the intent is the taking on of their dharma. I 
don't 
> > > see how the two cannot become commingled once one "attunes" one 
> > > mind/consciousness to that of another.
> > 
> > I'm sure that *can* happen, but my guess is that if
> > it's done "right," it doesn't.
> > 
> > I should think that since the whole process is about
> > giving up one's own will, it rules out what's involved
> > in taking on someone else's dharma; the two seem to me
> > to be incompatible.
> > 
> > > Re: your second point, I have tried, with some degree of 
success,
> > > to look at the 20+ years within the TM org. as a "learning 
> > > experience." There's certainly nothing I can do to recapture 
any of 
> > > them. It still seems such a shame that so many intelligent, 
well-
> > > meaning people spent so many years of their lives, some are 
still 
> > > deeply entrenched, and end up, after so many years, with little 
to 
> > > show for the years. And I'm not even talking about anything 
fancy, 
> > > I'm talking the very basics, such as a decent place to live, a 
> > > decent car to get around, the ability to pay for repairs as 
needed. 
> > > Even more, though, as many of us are now in our late 50s (and 
> > > beyone) I'm talking about the ability to go out of life with 
some 
> > > dignity.
> > 
> > Well, I certainly wish you the best in attaining that
> > dignity, whether it's via material support or inner
> > strength and tranquility, or preferably both.  It's just
> > that in my own experience, the less I dwell on what a
> > shame this or that was in my life, the more resources
> > I have to face whatever is going on now.
> > 
> > But I don't think it hurts to vent on occasion!
> >
> 
> There were many implicit and explicit promises made and many other
> carrots dangled. The movement leaned hard on devotion and service to
> the nobelest of causes. In light of recertification and rajas, some 
of
> it is much less ethical than the nastiest of business scandals. The
> venting is a minor thing, for sure. 
> 
> JohnY
>

REcertification and rajas are less ethical than the neastiest of 
business scandals?






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