On Mar 4, 2006, at 9:26 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:

Vaj writes: snipped

Correct View leads to gaining confidence in the View but this should  

not be mistaken as Enlightenment.


Incorrect View can be ascertained and tested.


Tom T:

Correct and Incorrect imply judgement.


Is that your judgement :-)?

Sounds pretty relative to me.


Everything is relative in the relative.

Do you feel like expounding on how this happens and is it conditional

on having read some obscure text or is this granted by the Guru or is

this a knowingness from personal experience.


Doesn't rely on texts obscure or popular, doesn't rely on external teachers or the knowingness of subject and object. 

What's worth relying on? Don't rely on individuals, rely on the teaching itself; as far as the teaching goes, don't rely on the words, but their real meaning; regarding meaning--don't rely on a provisional meaning, but rely on their real definitive meaning...and as far a real and definitive meaning, don't rely on ordinary consciousness, but rely on Wisdom Consciousness.

Then, even thought, while still Void is the face of Wisdom.

I am curious as you make

this point repeatedly and then I have not seen it expounded in detail.

If you have answered it before tell me the timeline. Tom T


We have talked on gaining confidence in the View, etc. before, I honestly don't remember when Tom. Since View is related to Path, it will depend on the Path as to what that View is, no? Of course where problems arise is when one person takes their Path as absolute and fails to recognize the difference of others View, Path and Fruition. All Paths are relative.



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