--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> <jyouells@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" 
> > > <jyouells@> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" 
> <sparaig@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> > > <jstein@> 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj 
> <vajranatha@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The part that I liked was:
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > "People are being charged thousands of dollars 
> for 
> > > > > mantras 
> > > > > > > that 
> > > > > > > > > > > have been traditionally been given as a gift from 
> a 
> > > > > teacher 
> > > > > > > to a 
> > > > > > > > > > > sincere student."
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > ...which is an obvious stab at 'you know who'. 
> And it 
> > > is 
> > > > > true.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Uh, no, it's not.  What you pay for when you learn
> > > > > > > > > > TM is instruction in the use of the mantra, not the
> > > > > > > > > > mantra itself, as you know.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > What you really pay for is lifetime membership in the 
> > > TMO, 
> > > > > > > starting 
> > > > > > > > > with a short period where the TM teacher goes through 
> the 
> > > > > motions 
> > > > > > > of 
> > > > > > > > > teaching TM that they learned, while interacting with 
> you 
> > > in 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > way 
> > > > > > > > > that they learned from the TMO.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Actually with recertification many have effectively 
> lost 
> > > their
> > > > > > > > 'lifetime membership'. No centers, no *official* 
> teachers, 
> > > no
> > > > > > > > lectures. I still maintain contact with many local 
> > > meditators 
> > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > don't believe that I can even *officially* check the 
> > > meditation 
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > people that I have not initiated. Sounds like they need 
> a 
> > > > > > > *recertified
> > > > > > > > lifetime membership* to me. Hell, I don't even have a 
> > > lifetime
> > > > > > > > membership, after 33+ years and many, many thousands of 
> > > dollars 
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > thousand of hours of work....
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Tucson, ARizona has 2 recertified teachers living here. 
> If 
> > > they 
> > > > > can 
> > > > > > > pull it off here, they can pullit off in just about any 
> venue 
> > > > > where 
> > > > > > > they are projecting a peace pallace eventually being 
> built.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Sure. A million here, a million there and pretty soon it 
> adds 
> > > up to
> > > > > > real money. :-) No wonder it's so easy to decieve the 
> willing...
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > What has that to do with what I said? I thought you were 
> saying 
> > > that 
> > > > > there would be no TM teachers available in most places. There 
> are 
> > > two 
> > > > > available in Tucson, AZ. That's a pretty out-of-the-way 
> place, 
> > > > > compared to the rest of the country.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I was referring to "projecting a peace pallace eventually being
> > > > built". That means either 1.5 mill or 3 mill (can't remember). 
> I 
> > > know
> > > > of no recerts within 100+ miles.
> > > > 
> > > > JohnY
> > > >
> > > 
> > > And I said exactly what I meant. If 2 TM teachers can make it in 
> > > Tucson, they can make it in anyplace where a peace pallace is 
> > > *projected* to be built. I said nothing about the building of the 
> > > peace pallace.
> > >
> > 
> > I don't think they've made it yet. There actually has to be either
> > teaching, or preferably donating and building. Otherwise the plans
> > will change quickly. If plans are "making it", I quess they're doing
> > fine. That's the point. 
> 
> Define "some teaching." I asked and was told that there have been a 
> few initiations since they got there. How many do you want? Enough 
> for them to get the promised income? that would be nice, but not 
> required for there to be a steady TM presence here, I think.
>

OK - just wait and see.

JohnY





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