--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Irmeli Mattsson" > <Irmeli.Mattsson@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Irmeli Mattsson" > > > <Irmeli.Mattsson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Michael Dean Goodman > > > > <Tantra@> wrote: > > > > big snip > > > > >The trends of time are > > > > being changed; Kali herself is being challenged! > > > > > > > > big snip > > > > > > > > **** > > > > I wonder why in the Hindu beliefsystems the pathologies of the > > > > present world are seen as female energies? > > > > I personally see the problems being more in patriarchal male > > > energies > > > > that are very much addicted to power, money and control over > others, > > > > especially over women. These narcissistic energies are the main > > > cause > > > > of violence, suffering and poverty in our time. And these > tendencies > > > > are more prevalent in males. Women have naturally more capacity > to > > > > empathy. > > > > The population explosion is a main cause of poverty and > illiteracy. > > > > And the subjugation of women is the cause of excessive breeding > in a > > > > time, when birth control is easily available. > > > > Motherhood is the only means to these women get some > appreciation. > > > > > > > > Male chauvinism and patriarchal structures have been challenged > with > > > > very good results in the west and should be challenged in the > east > > > also. > > > > The concept Kaliyuga tells me that in Hindu culture the males > in > > > > power project their inner darkness and pathologies on their > > > subjugated > > > > women. Disgusting! > > > > > > so what's your take on "Mother Divine" as a Hindu term? > > > > > > > **** > > Mother Divine, and Kali as her one aspect, I consider to be > important > > myths and powerful symbols. > > > > I understand Mother Divine to represent the all-pervading influence > > the mother has in a new born child's world. The mother's influence > on > > the future development of the child is huge. Many modern > psychologists > > say that all the important structures in humans are established > > during the first three years of life. The way the mother relates to > > and communicates with the child largely determines how he/she later > in > > life relates to people around. The course of the life of an > individual > > after those important years is just repetition in different external > > forms of those early structures. > > And in that respect the kali energies are very real also. Mothers > are > > not perfect. They easily transfer their own pathologies to their > children. > > > > My main criticism of the Kali concept, was the idea of these kali > > energies being the cause of the malaise of our time. > > > > Subjugated women and mothers have very little possibilities of > working > > through their internal tensions. Submissiveness hides the problems, > > and that way they go direct to the next generation. Women should > have > > in relationships and marriages equal rights to men. Women can evolve > > only if they can feel free and safe to express their true nature. > > > > From one perspective one could say that Kaliyuga is gone, when the > > important and highly responsible role of mothers is fully > understood, > > and men have evolved beyond their patriarchal need for power, > control > > and a sense superiority over women, and women are encouraged to > study > > and make their own careers so that they don't need to realize their > > own power trips through children. > > > > You realize, of course, that many of the world's cultures originally > had matriarchal societies with matriarchal godesses? Get ahold of > _When God Was a Woman_. Also, Evangeline Walton's Mbnogian tetrology > tells the legends from the perspective of the transition of female- > dominated Ireland to male-dominated Ireland. >
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