--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> 
> Ok, *you* define bhakti.

Through my life.

> You've already tried to keep people here from 
> dealing with it critically.

As if I could. But I don't have your missionary zest.

<snip>

> As you define it, which you won't.  :-)

I take your advice..

<snip> 

> It's not my path now. I've given it a shot in the past,
> when it seemed relevant. 

Here we come to the core of the matter. You were messed up before and
now project it on to everybody. But listen: I did not say, that
nothing can go wrong, and that people couldn't do stupid things
(obviously you know what you are talking about), but I pointed out
that bashing Bhakti *as such*, just the sentiment of it, when ever you
see it is wrong. Not that you have to follow it - you follow whatever
you like. I just point out, that not knowing the sentiment yourself
(or obviously having a problem with it), you will not recognize it in
others, and your interperetation of their words tend to be
one-dimensional stereotypes. As Irmeli mistook MDG tone of reverence
for egoism. 

> (That is, when my feeling for
> a teacher was such that I really had no choice.) 

Hear, hear... ;-)

> But
> that is not relevant now.

Thats all I am really saying: You have nothing to do with Bhakti right
now.

> 
> > ...(not that it should be your path...
> 
> Oh? You've changed your tune. Just a few posts ago,
> you were saying that the absence of bhakti in my
> posts and in my life revealed a terrible *lack* in
> that life.

You haven't claimed complete enlightenment yet... Therefor a lack is
permissable

> 
> > ...but you also seem to have no use for the
> > sentiment of it.)
> 
> Dude, what you want is for people to respect the 
> "sentiment" of bhakti while ignoring the practical 
> implications of bhakti. 

Yes I want you to respect the sentiment of Bhakti *despite* your
preconceptions of possible misuse. Like I would ask you to respect the
sentiment of Love despite for its multiple possible misuses. Its
rather very simply.

> It's equally obvious that you can't deal with the
> *implications* of your "impersonal perspective,"
> any more than you can with the *implications* of
> your contention that bhakti is a good thing.

Actually I can very well live with both.

> > > if
> > > the universe was running Jonestown and the fatwa
> > > against Salman Rushdie, it's really fucked up.  :-)
> > 
> > Rushdie surely made some mistakes. He is very cynical, 
> > yet he is a genial writer. Midnight Children is really grant.
> 
> And yet, only a few posts ago, you were agreeing with
> those who say that people should not write critically 
> about Islam because it disturbs the sensibilities
> of those who are on an Islamic bhakti path.

Right. As I said, Rushdie made mistakes. That I admire his style
doesn't mean that I have to agree with him on too many subjects.
Unlike you I can differentiate.

> Seems to me you want the ability to live in the 
> *theoretical* realm of the things you believe in,
> while consistently ignoring the *practical* 
> implications of the things you believe in. 

Blah blah

> That's 
> fine, but if you want to be taken seriously by 
> someone who lives in the real world, I think you 
> should be able to do both.

First prove that you are living in the real world. When is your book
being published?





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