--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor" > > > <matrixmonitor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > A disciple, who had been with this guru for over > > > > > twenty years, caught him in the middle of a sex act > > > > > with young boys. He had never previously known that > > > > > his guru did this. Very shocked, he came back to > > > > > see the guru telling him that he could not tolerate > > > > > such actions, and that he was leaving the ashram > > > > > immediately. The guru's response was, "You have > > > > > created the problem. Now you have to solve it!" > > > > > > > > > > Ramesh expressed his agreement with this response > > > > > and said, "Everything is only an event ruled by > > > > > cosmic law and by divine will...It is the > > > > > programming of the body-mind mechanism... and > > > > > nothing can be done about it... the guru is not > > > > > concerned!" > > > > > > The problem with mistaking the *perception* that > > > "I am not the doer" for the reality. In a nutshell. > > > > > > As several brain researchers have postulated, the > > > *perception* of not being the doer may be purely > > > a physiological thing, related to a particular > > > area of the brain becoming active. As I remember > > > from the (I think) Time magazine article that > > > discussed this research, they pointed out that > > > this perception was *not* limited to those who > > > follow a spiritual path. But those on a spiritual > > > path tended to *interpret* the perception positively, > > > as a sign of progress or enlightenment, when in fact > > > it might be just a particular set of neurons swtich- > > > ing from OFF to ON. > > > > > > Before you ask, I don't have the reference. It was > > > a big article on God and brain functioning that > > > I read while waiting in a dentist's office. > > > > Of course, the experience of samadhi during TM and in those TMers > > reporting 24/7 witnessing, may be due to a different physiological > > state than the pathological state. > > Or the firing of a particular set of neurons may be > only the physiological manifestation of any number > of different mind/consciousness states (or maybe > that's what you're saying).
I think we can take the western view of consciousness being secondary for any state prior to Unity, not because your point is invalid, but simply because there's no concrete way to "measure" a distinction. > > Attributing a particular experience merely to the > firing of neurons, and assuming any differences > are simply a matter of individual interpretations of > the experience, may be a function of the fact that > the firing of the neurons is the only thing we're > currently able to measure. Sure, but that may apply no mater HOW subtle our measuring instruments become. > > Actually, the specific study Barry describes sounds > suspiciously like the work of Michael Persinger, the > dude who tried to associate TM with epilepsy on the > basis of a questionnaire asking subjects about such > things as experiences of vibrations, hearing one's > name called, paranormal phenomena, profound meaning > from reading poetry/prose, and religious phenomenology. > Sure, peringer's work influences a lot of people, including Alan Watts. On the other hand, we have MMY's take on the subject that I quoted a earlier. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
