--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> >
> > In any event, the point here is that unless one is doing 
> > a non-dual form of quiescence/transcendence meditation, 
> > there will--by it's very nature always be not only some 
> > dualism or some subtle meditational "effort" involved. 
> 
> To continue this morning's train of thought
> in the context of meditation, perhaps a style 
> of meditation that involves trying to move 
> from "What is" to "What should be" (whether
> that "should be" is coming back to the mantra
> or achieving transcendence) is, in Buddhist
> terms, indulging and thus perpetuating the 
> desire/aversion cycle and taking the actor
> further away from immersion in "What is."

True, but that, of course, is not a description
of TM.

> Whereas a technique of meditation that involves 
> nothing more than paying attention to "What is"

For me, that's what TM is.  And it's automatic,
no effort required for the paying of attention.


 
> or even a concentrated focus *on* "What is" is 
> facilitating immersion in "What is."
>






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