--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 15, 2006, at 6:07 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > You seemed to believe thatthat could NOT be a valid > > > > > > meditation > > > > > > session, or so your "good luck with that" response suggests. > > > > > > > > > > This is an erroneous conclusion. It may well be for you a > > > > > valid > > > > > meditation in your version of TM style meditation. What that > > > > > will > > > > > actually lead to is depression if it is repeated long enough-- > > > > > which > > > > > actually explains a lot. It may well be a fault in this > > > > > technique. > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, I actually agree with Vaj here. > > > > That does *not* mean that I didn't "learn TM properly," > > > > merely that nearly 40 years of meditation practice > > > > have suggested other ways of seeing the situation to > > > > me that I tend to believe more than the dogma that is > > > > taught in the TM organization. > > > > > > sure, whatever. But once you start assigning value > > > judgements to one set of experiences over another, > > > you're no longer practicing TM. > > > > Read my lips: I NO LONGER PRACTICE TM. :-) > > > > But what you're saying isn't true. When it comes to > > driving an automobile, I happen to believe that the > > speed limits imposed by the French govenment are > > about ten kilometers per hour too slow. I definitely > > assign a value judgement to that belief. I value > > driving faster more than I value driving at a rate > > I consider too slow for traffic conditions. But that > > doesn't prevent me from driving below the posted > > speed limit *most of the time* because that behavior > > saves me a great deal of money that I would otherwise > > spend on speeding fines. > > > > You seem to be saying that the fact that I assign > > a value judgement to my belief about what the > > proper speed limit should be and prefer one way > > of driving over another, that I have NO CHOICE > > other than to drive faster than that. > > > > Your mind may work that way, but mine doesn't... > > > > But TM helps the mind to stop working so hard. You're addicted to > having the mind work all the time, obviously...
TM is to transcend thought; Mindfullness occurs in TM when one transcends, and becomes mindful of the self. Mindfulness is there the whole time with continued practice: it's there during both the inward and ourward stroke of meditation; when thinking the mantra, or when noticing you're off on a thought and coming back to the mantra; or noticing that your just quietly settled in the mindfull state of transcendental consciousness, of no- mantra/no thought. The whole point of meditation is to get beyond thought. If one is to become familiar with the infinite, then what does one focus on? What object can the mind focus on to become infinite? The mind focuses on the mantra, and then let's go. When one let's go completely then awareness arives at the infinite. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
