--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[I wrote:]
>
> > > When the discussion started, the issue was (1).  Vaj
> > > had claimed that TMATBMMY required effort.  Lawson
> > > and I were disputing that claim.
> > >
> > > Vaj said:
> > >
> > > > I like Asanga's definition of mindfulness which shows how
> > > > appropriate the description is in regards to manasika-japa/TM:
> > > >
> > > > "What is mindfulness? The non-forgetfulness of the mind with
> > > > respect to a familiar object, having the function of non-
> > > > distraction."
> > > >
> > > > In the case of manasika-japa/TM the global 
> > > > conditioned 'familiarity' is with the mantra and "non-
> > > > distraction" would refer to the vyuttana or outward,
> > > > distracted tendency of the "outward stroke". Since this so 
> > > > precisely and accurately applies, what else need be said?
> 
> One gains mindfulness through the practice of TM.
> One gains non-forgetfulness through the practice of TM.

Exactly.  In the context of TM, the quote would apply
as a DEscription, not a PREscription.

> Experiencing subltle states of the mantra, requires the letting go 
> of effort.

However, this should not be understood to mean
that we make an effort to let go!

> We don't pound the mantra. We don't mind if the mantra fades 
> or slips away. We take it as it comes.
> We don't mind if the mind is off on a thought; when we realize we
> are off on a thought, we quietly come back to the mantra. Just the 
> intention to "think" the mantra is enough. We never have to think 
> the mantra 'clearly'.

For the record, my experience is that the realization
that I was off on a thought is enough to evoke the mantra;
there's no intervening intention to think it.







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