--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > Absolutely. But that form of elitism is no worse than > > > > > the one at the heart of the Indian caste system. Elitism > > > > > is elitism. IMO trying to justify it on the basis of who > > > > > is more highly evolved vs. less highly evolved is more > > > > > smarmy and less honest than justifying it on the basis > > > > > of who has da most money. > > > > > > > > Unless, of course, you believe you know of a simple > > > > method that can be practiced by individuals to raise > > > > their level of evolution and erase the differences. > > > > > > Does "raise their level of evolution and erase the differences" > > > imply that with TM a vaisha becomes a brahman as they "evolve" > > > spiritually? > > > > If the castes are based on level of evolution, that > > would seem to be the inevitable conclusion, yes. > > > > > Rather, it would seem, in an "enlightened" society, sudras, vaishas > > > andBfahmans would be "enlightened", doing their roles using their > > > highest potential. But not doing the same thing. > > > > But in that case the castes would *not* be based on > > level of evolution of consciousness. > > > > How the various roles would be assigned in a society > > in which a caste system based on level of consciousness > > had vanished because everyone's on the same level, I > > have no idea. It's a good question. Maybe folks take > > turns doing whatever needs to be done? > > > > In any case, there wouldn't be any "elitism." > > I think an enlightened skilled craftsman -- aka a blue collar guy - - > will always pursue his craft as consciousness unfolds, and not > suddenly start reciting the vedas for a living. > > Elitism perhaps comes from weakness, arrogance, not feeling fulfilled > in ones role and life. Like racism. "I may be a loser, but I am an x, > so at least I am not a y". > > Most of us have some inferior connotation associated with sudras. Why? > I was researching my family tree and found my gggfather and gggfather > were furniture designers. To my surprise, their pieces are featured in > art books and musuems across the country. They are noted as the > pre-eminent innovators of a particular style. Their pieces are still > recognized and sought by designers. I found pictures of some pieces > and they are awesome and dazzling. But they were craftsmen. Working > with their hands--and minds. Probably sudras in the classic > designations. Should I feel shame because some anscestors were sudras? > That would be quite silly. They were at the top of their field, at the > top of their game. > > In this vein, I would guess most artists are sudras. Including > filmmakers. And actors. and musicians. So the Academy and Gramy Awards > are great extravaganzas of noted sudras. And much of the world looks > on in awe and even envy. While modern elites may look down on actors > and musicians, a vast majority of the public does not -- media covers > them extensively. > > Similiar with vaishas. Steve Jobs, the founders of Amazaon, Google and > Yahoo, etc, are vaishas. Does society look down on them? > > So I am not sure elitism is absolute, or fully prevelant across castes. > Well said!
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