--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<shempmcgurk@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > > > > <shempmcgurk@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > TorquiseB writes: snipped
> > > > > > > > Whatever the specifics were, the bottom line was 
always
> > > > > > > > the same -- pretense. Pretending that the actuality 
of
> > > > > > > > the life of a TMer conformed to Maharishi's claims of
> > > > > > > > what the life of a TMer should be. And woe be unto 
him
> > > > > > > > who pulls back the curtain on that pretense and 
reveals
> > > > > > > > it for what it is.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You really should qualify your use of the term "TMer", 
> > TorquiseB.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think it should read "TMOer" because that's really 
what 
> > you 
> > > > > > are referring to: someone in the TM organisation that 
takes 
> > > > > > instructions from the TMO and MMY.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That's NOT a TMer: a TMer is one who practises the TM 
> > program 
> > > > > > and doesn't follow a guru nor is involved in the TMO.
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's actually a good point, and I agree with it.
> > > > > 
> > > > > However, it should be obvious from a few people
> > > > > here that you don't actually have to have any
> > > > > position within the TM organization to be as 
> > > > > much of a True Believer as those who are. In
> > > > > fact, I think that sometimes it actually *helps*
> > > > > to perpetuate one's illusions about Maharishi
> > > > > to have never met him, or even seen him, except
> > > > > on videotape.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > I would suspect though that the vast majority of people that 
> > > > practise the TM technique are NOT associated with the TMO or 
MMY 
> > in 
> > > > any way, shape or form.
> > > > 
> > > > Although I have no statistics to rely on, we all know that 
> > hundreds 
> > > > of thousands of Americans -- as well as others across the 
world -
> > - 
> > > > did indeed start TM in the '70s and '80s and at least some 
are 
> > still 
> > > > practising it.  These people are NOT TBers.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Do you think there are 20,000 still meditating in the US and 
> > Canada? 
> > > 
> > > JohnY
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > At any given time?
> > 
> > Yes, I do.
> 
> Charlie Lutes used to say that he thought there were about 25,000.
> It would be very difficult to know. What makes you think that there
> are 20,000 still meditating? I could only make a guess.... 


Guesstimate.



> 
> 
> JohnY
>






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