--- In [email protected], "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> markmeredith wrote:
> > Most every Indian spiritual group I've investigated uses some
> > of the bija mantras - not necessarily in an eye-closed effortless
> > meditation practice, but they seem to be very commonly known.
> >
> So, it's a common practice all over India - Mr. Perino was mistaken.
>
> > As discussed here recently, early TMers report they weren't given
> > bij mantras, but "Ram".
> >
> Maybe so, but I'm TM meditator #212 in the USA, according to Beaulah
> Smith, and I never got a 'Ram' bija mantra. From what I've read, the
> very first TM meditator in India, a certain Mr. Raya, recieved the
> same bija I recieved in 1965, that would be ten years after the
> founding of the SRM by Marshy.
>
> > Speaking of Nandkisore, I'd always heard the story about how
> > surprised he was when MMY taught him TM - there was nothing
> > like it taught within their ashram.
> >
> If true, then Nandkisore obviously didn't get around very much - a
> technique similar to TM was taught at Jyotirmath for years and as
you
> and Vaj have confiremd, the technique and the bija mantras are
> ubiquitous all over India. Go figure.
>
> The mantra you mentioned, 'ram',
AFAIK, that's "raama", not "ram".
rAma mf(%{A4})n. (prob. `" causing rest "' , and in most meanings fr.
%{ram}) dark , dark-coloured , black (cf. %{rAtri}) AV. TA1r. (%
[EMAIL PROTECTED] a black bird , crow Ka1t2hGr2. Vishn2.) ; white (?)
L. ; pleasing , pleasant , charming , lovely , beautiful MBh. Ka1v.
&c. ; m. a kind of deer Car. ; a horse L. ; a lover VarBr2S. ;
pleasure , joy , delight BhP. ; N. of Varun2a. L. ; N. of various
mythical personages (in Veda two Ra1mas are mentioned with the patr.
Ma1rgaveya and Aupatasvini ; another RñRa1mas with the patr.
Ja1madagnya [cf. below] is the supposed author of RV. x , 110 ; in
later times three RñRa1mas are celebrated , viz. 1. Paras3u-ra1ma
[q.v.] , who forms the 6th Avata1ra of Vishn2u and is sometimes
called Ja1madagnya , as son of the sage Jamad-agni by Ren2uka1 , and
sometimes Bha1rgava , as descended from Bhr2igu ; 2. Ra1ma-candra
[see below] ; 3. Bala-ra1ma [q.v.] , `" the strong Ra1ma "' , also
called Hala7yudha and regarded as elder brother of Kr2ishn2a [RTL.
112] accord. to Jainas a Ra1ma is enumerated among the 9 white
Balas ; and in VP. a RñRa1mas is mentioned among the 7 R2ishis of the
8th Manv-antara) RV. &c &c. N. of a king of Malla-pura Cat. ; of a
king of S3r2in3ga-vera and patron of Na1ge7s3a ib. ; of various
authors and teachers (also with %{AcArya} , %{upA7dhyAya} , %{kavi} ,
%{cakra-vartin} , %{jyotir-vid} , %{jyau-} %{tiSaka} , %{tarka-vAg-
Iza} , %{dIkSita} , %{daiva-jJa} , %{paNDita} , %{bhaTTa} , %
{bhaTTA7cArya} , %{vAjapeyin} , %{zarman} , %{zAstrin} , %
{saMyamin} , %{sUri} &c.) Cat. ;
ram el. 1.A1. (Dha1tup. xx , 23) %{ramate} (Ved. also P. %{ra4mati}
or %{ramNAti} pf. %{rarAma} MBh. ; %{reme} Br. &c. ; aor. 3. pl. %
{ranta} RV. ; %{araMsIt} Ka1v. ; %{araMsta} RV. ; %{raMsiSam} SV. ;
fut. %{rantA} Gr. ; %{raMsyati} Br. ; %{-te} ib. &c. ; inf. %
{ramitum} MBh. ; %{rantum} ib. &c. ; %{rantos} Br. ; ind. p. %
{ratvA4} ib. ; %{rantvA} Ka1v. ; %{-ramya} or %{-ratya} Pa1n2. 6-4 ,
38) , to stop , stay , make fast , calm , set at rest (P. ; esp.
pres. %{ramNAti}) RV. VS. ; (P.A1.)to delight , make happy , enjoy
carnally MBh. Hariv. S3ukas. ; (A1.) to stand still , rest , abide ,
like to stay with (loc. or dat.) RV. &c. &c. ; (A1. ; P. only m. c.)
to be glad or pleased , rejoice at , delight in , be fond of (loc.
instr. or inf.) RV. &c. &c. ; to play or sport , dally , have sexual
intercourse with (instr. with or without %{samam} , %{saha} , %
{sAkam} or %{sA7rdham}) , ChUP. MBh. &c. ; to couple (said of deer)
Pa1n2. 3-1 , 26 , Va1tt. 8 Pat. (cf. Caus.) ; to play with i.e. put
to stake (instr.) Bhat2t2.: Caus. %{rama4yati} or %{rAma4yati} (aor. %
{a4rIramat}) , to cause to stay , stop , set at rest RV. TS.
Pan5cavBr. Ka1tyS3r. ; (%{ramayati} , m.c. also %{-te}) to gladden ,
delight , please , caress , enjoy carnally MBh. Ka1v. &c. (3. sg. %
{ramayati-tarAm} , Ratna7v. iii , 9) ; to enjoy one's self , be
pleased or delighted MBh. Hariv. ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] , he tells that
the deer are coupling Pa1n2. 3-1 , 26 Va1rtt. 8 Pat.: Desid. in %
{riraMsA} , %{-su} q.v.: Desid. of Caus. in %{riramayiSu} q.v.:
Intesis. %{raMramyate} or %{raMramIti} Pa1n2. 7-4 , 85. [Cf. Zd.
ram , Gk. $ , &262829[867 ,2] $ , $ ; Lith. {rimti} ; Goth.
{rimis}.]
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