--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002"
> <markmeredith@> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds very nice .. but I detect a few caveats are in order.
>
> Quite a few, actually.
>
> > One is that Divine Intelligence (DI) isn't looking to flow just
> > through people who have completed the official 21 day course,
> > offered by the latest hot hindu guru or his certified
> > representative, whose $3000 check has successfully cleared,
> > and is in good psychological and lifestyle standing within the
> > guru's mov't. DI flows much more freely (heck even 14 day
> > course graduates might have it). Maybe there's some
> > juice flowing right now in this group, but if it forgets the
> > all pervasive nature of DI it has already sown the seeds of
> > its corruption.
>
> 'DI' sounds as atrocious to me as some of the silly
> TM acronyms. :-) It's just a brand name.
>
> The experience is what it is. Calling it a fancy
> name like 'Divine Intelligence' doesn't make it
> either divine or intelligent.
>
> > Also, these sorts of phenomenon always have a big psychological
> > or placebo effect, at least partially. Spiritual people tend
> > to be amazingly naive about the science of this effect.
>
> Absolutely. Especially people who have been looking
> in vain for some kind of experience for decades in
> the TMO or other organization that talked a good game
> but never delivered. Give such people a little hit of
> even low-grade kundalini and they think they've seen God. :-)
>
Of course, the TM organization HAS delivered for many people...
> > Still placebos are real, they can have real added benefits -
> > it's just that you need to distinguish what is psychological
> > and what is truly spiritual, what is your own natural DI
> > and what is coming from an "enlightened" guru -- or usually
> > disappointments come up later.
>
> If you're expecting such experiences to be anything
> *BUT* temporary, you're already setting yourself
> up for a disappointment, in my opinion. The teacher
> doesn't really "give" anything, although it can be
> perceived that way from the student's point of view.
>
Unlike TM, which has an accumulative effect for the rest of a
person's life, or so the latest research implies...
> And the experience, as neat as it might be and as
> useful at getting rid of doubts ("Oh my gawd...you
> mean enlightenment really *does* exist!"), is very
> much a temporary experience. If it inspires you to
> keep on truckin' and doin' the things that might
> make it a more permanent experience for you, then
> transmission/empowerment/shaktipat/diksha might be
> a good thing for you. If, however, all it does is
> turn you into a diksha junkie, saving up for your next
> "hit" of bliss from the guru, then in my opinion you
> could've saved a lot of time and money by just buying
> drugs. One kind of junkie is pretty much the same
> as the other kind of junkie.
>
Something I tend to agree with, although Pentacostals who go to
church every Sunday might disagree with you.
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