--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > I have always been uncomfortable with Judy's characterization of > > Unc > > > as a liar. Certainly in the realm of Unc's posts, his relationship > > > with truth is loose, dismissive and distant -- perhaps like a > > quick > > > one-night stand with Lady Truth. And sometimes he appears to cast > > her > > > as a submissive that he likes to chain and have his way with -- > > after > > > donning his Dom leathers. > > > > > > > > > > I've always thought that if you wanted to point out that someone is > > a liar then it's more powerful to SHOW how that person is a liar > > rather than to TELL everyone that that person is a liar. > > Well then you have 1000 Judy posts, which after the first 15 get > tedious for me. > > I guess you are not addressing my post, though you reposted it, since > I of course said Unc was not a liar. Do you want examples of that - - > that he is not a liar? (proving a negative) > > You must not read many posts if you do not find Unc's relationship > with truth is loose, dismissive and distant. Or if you do read them > all, and don't find that, I am quite surprised at your reading > comprehension skills, but move on. I am not going to spoon feed you. > > What I find of interest are frameworks that provide insight. I found > the author's distinction between lying and bullshitting a useful > insight. The primary point of my post was that the author's framework > is insightul,IMO. > > And in my view, Unc provides ample and good examples of the author's > point. If in your reading of Unc, you don't see it, fine. Move on. > > But I posted the above as a humor piece. You may not enjoy the humor. > Fine. Move on. But you would have to be quite asleep at the wheel to > not recognize the following as falling into the humor category. > > "his relationship with truth is loose, dismissive and distant -- > perhaps like a quick one-night stand with Lady Truth. And sometimes > he appears to cast her as a submissive that he likes to chain and > have his way with -- after donning his Dom leathers." > > I imagine unc got a big laugh at that, and I expect some > (attempted)witty slam from him soon. Its a way some people converse -- > trading witty and hopefully insightful barbs. It busts egos, makes all > involved laugh, particularly at oneself, and sometimes gives one > insight into ones own (warped) behavior. What a great thing! > > > As soon as > > someone tells me that someone is a liar, they are disrespecting me > > That implies we had respect in the first place. Someone can't take > away something you have not yet established. > > > because they are not allowing me to come to that conclusion > > myself...and when I am SHOWN the facts and allowed to come to that > > conclusion by myself, then the result is all that more powerful. > > Thats what the Socratic method does. And I am a big fan of that. But > its not the only way to approach making a point and communicating. > > > Al Franken consistently calls Rush a liar; well, he may be but show > > me don't tell me. So, to me, Al and Rush are two sides to the same > > coin. > > Al Franken consistently gives examples of Rush and O'Reilly lies. Just > listen to him. Or read him. Its amazing that you could gloss over his > stuff so quickly as to miss it. >
The man wrote a book called "Lies and the lying liars who tell them". Whenever I heard him on the radio (Air America no longer airs in Phoenix) he consistently called those he was criticizing -- foremost almongst them Rush Limbaugh whom he devoted a weekly hour to -- "liars". Yes, he consistently gives examples, as you say, of Rush and O'Reilly lies. But that's the point: if he can properly document their "lies" he doesn't have to keep telling us that they are "lies" and that they are "liars". But he does...and that detracts from the points he may score by proper documentation. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
