On Apr 11, 2006, at 11:51 AM, t3rinity wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 11, 2006, at 6:47 AM, t3rinity wrote: > > > > > Nisargadatta said many times, that he was simply > > > lucky that he believed and trusted his master, and that he > wasn't a > > > great intellect. He got it because he had trust, and accepted the > > > truth in the core of his heart, and that is the only way it can > work > > > IMHO. > > > > > > But he also pointed out there is really only a certain point that > > 'sadhana ends' and basically advocated a rigorous sadhana which > > included mastery of shakti, the elements and the pranas. This is > > largely missed in Neo-Nisargadatta appropriated teachings. > > This must be a myth, as I don't see any one quote were he says so. > There are volomes and volumes of text directly by Nisargadatta out > there, were he simply does not talk about the need for meditation, nor > talk about Shakti or Kundalini. (to clarify my point: I am all for > meditation, but it should not be made conditional for enlightenment.) > So, if you can provide a direct quote from any of his talks, it would > be nice of you to post it.
The majority of what's out there is what other people *heard* him say--they were not written by him. In the only work written in his own hand Nisargadatta states: "The Saint, and now his preceptor, makes it plain to him that what he has had is not the real vision, which is beyond the said experiences, and is only to be had through Self-Realization. At this point, the aspirant reaches the stage of the meditator. In the beginning, the Sadhaka is instructed into the secrets of his own person, and of the indwelling spirit; the meaning and nature of prana, the various plexuses, and the nature and arousal of the Kundalini, and the nature of the Self. Later on, he comes to know of the origin of the five elements, their activity, radiation, and merits and defects. Meanwhile his mind undergoes the process of purification and acquires composure, and this the Sadhaka experiences through the deep-laid subtle center of the Indweller; he also knows how and why it is there, only that the deiform element is kindled. This knowledge transforms him into the pure, eternal, and spiritual form of a SadGuru who is now in a position to initiate others into the secrets of the spirit. The stage of Sadhakahood ends here." That's not to say that these practice give the final discrimination for the person, but in almost every case, advaitic adepts will have had a rigorous sadhana before the final discrimination. As is typical of most Nath initiates, Nisargadatta does not tell any of the inner practices of his Nath initiation other than the words his teacher gave him in his final discrimination. But what he describes above is not unusual for a Nath. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/