--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" > <jflanegi@> > > > > [...] > > > > > Has my experience deepened over time? Yes. Has silence > infused > > > my > > > > > daily activity? Yes. Have I gained the ability to sit > without > > > > > thoughts for as long as I choose to? Yes. Do I experience > lucid > > > > > dreaming? Yes. Do I have good posture? Yes. > > > > > > > > > > So it appears that you are regularly propounding a set of > > > > techniques > > > > > that when practiced, achieve the same results as regular > > > practice > > > > of > > > > > TM, and TM Sidhis. > > > > > > > > > > The conclusion I reach is that whether we take a bus, or a > > > scooter > > > > > or an ox cart, Buddhist meditation techniques, TM, the > > > destination > > > > > with all of its associated results, remains the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But IS it the same state? > > > > > > > > > > > > The brainwave coherence study that Vaj likes to tout is only > > > > concerning the very high (for EEG) frequency gamma band, > whereas > > > TM- > > > > induced coherence is over all frequencies save, perhaps, the > > gamma > > > > band. The state induced by TM practice apparently gets more > > > > pronounced during meditation for about 4 months and then > > > stabilizes. > > > > However, the state outside meditation continues to become more > > > > pronounced over decades of practice. The Buddhist meditation > EEG > > > > coherence appears to continue to get more and more pronounced > > > during > > > > meditation as time goes on. The gamma band EEG of the Buddhist > > > > meditation is associated with paying attention to specific > > > objects. > > > > The alpha band EEG is associated with being alert, period. > > > > > > > > > > > > There's no research that I can find (nor can the Esalen > > > Institute) > > > > that document breath suspension during Buddhist meditation, > > > whereas > > > > there are several studies on hundreds of individuals who show > > this > > > > during TM practice. > > > > > > > > There's no mention of correlation between EEG changes and > > > > enlightenment in any of the research that Vaj mentions, > whereas > > > > that's one of the big areas of study for EEG and brain imaging > at > > > MUM > > > > currently. > > > > > > > > > > I prefer TM, and have reached my own conclusions about it. If > > > someone sees benefit in another technique, fine, whether it > > produces > > > the same results, or not. > > > > > > Scientific facts are great to substantiate our views, but rarely > do > > > they change them, imo. Science operates primarily in the realm > of > > > the intellect, whereas beliefs are held in the heart. > > > > > > > Sure, but are beliefs about something as important as the > something? > > > Great question, but I can't answer it. >
Vaj referred to the map and the territory. Are beliefs the map or the territory in this case? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
