wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "lurkernomore20002000"
> > <steve.sundur@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > It's not Barry's purported experience with levitation
> > > > that folks find annoying, it's his pretensions to
> > > > spiritual superiority on the grounds of having had
> > > > such experiences.
> > > >
> > > > Jim related some amazing experiences of prolonged
> > > > communication with Guru Dev awhile back. I don't
> > > > recall that having pushed anybody's buttons. But
> > > > then Jim didn't pretend those experiences made him
> > > > superior to anybody else.
> > >
> > > Don't you think Judy, that when people say they "communicate"
with
> > > someone we has left the body, it can viewed sympathetically as
a
> > > sweet subjective experience. One of those warm and fuzzies,
with
> > no
> > > way to prove or disprove. Witnessing levitation would be more
> > > of, "it happened, or it didn't" kind of thing. Something which
> > > theoretically could be verified. I don't recall Jim's
experience,
> > > but I wouldn't think it would be likely to stir up as much
> > > controversy.
> > >
> >
> > That's the point with Barry's observation of levitation by Lentz.
He
> > doesn't know or care if it could be verified or not. That's his
> > business, but as I said, that isn't how the term is normally used
in
> > this forum. Levitation, as used by Yogic Flyers, is an objective
> > manifestation of Unity.
> >
>
> As far as I know only Maharishi has ever asserted that levitation is
> an objective manifestation of unity. I've never heard him say it,
> either live or on tape. I've only heard others report that he has. I
> certainly don't know if that assertion is true, and tend to doubt
it.
The key phrase in this context in what Lawson is saying
is "objective manifestation," i.e., something that anyone
who was present could see, something that would show up
on film, something that would pass whatever objective
test you cared to devise. That's how TM defines the term
"levitation."
But it's not how Barry defines it. For Barry, levitation
is an experience somebody can make you (but not necessarily
anybody else) have that leads you to believe they have
levitated; no objective proof necessary.
Which is more likely to occur, just in the general scheme
of things? Which is more of an achievement on the part
of the putative levitator?
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