On Apr 25, 2006, at 6:36 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote:

> Jim Flanegin writes: snipped
> It is at that time, that our desires are transformed from the
> machinery necessary for us to permanently awaken unto our Selves,
> into the machinery for us to expand our awake Selves further and
> further into its Self, however that is concieved of. Desires become
> then, not a means to fill a lack, but a means to continuously fill
> an already overflowing cup.
>
> The intense need for seeking the Self, is replaced by the intense
> joy of rediscovering the Self, over and over again. The purpose of
> life is transformed.
>
> Tom T:
> It is now my experience that from the initial onset of the the
> thought, that really is expressing itsellf as a former desire, what is
> experienced from the very beginning of this thought is the fulfilment
> as if it had already been achieved. In other words the fulfillment is
> known throught out the entire life cycle of the thought from the
> beginning to the end. Whether or not the desire ever is achieved, one
> has the same fulfillment as if it were. So on the one hand is full
> fulfillment and on the other is the action necessary to carry the
> thought to its conclusion. One acts but fulfillment is there and makes
> the action easier to do. One does not need the object as one has the
> fullfilment. But it seems like a lot of fun to carry on the action to
> see how it will unfold and come out. Like going to a movie. You know
> it is a movie but you still go for the entertainment value. Know you
> can see you every desire and action as entertainment as value for the
> fun of it. Tom T

Since you've experienced the Self dwelling in Itself (atma-kalpena a 
la Vyasa) would you please share your experience of the raincloud of 
virtue and of the knowledge of the nature of all things (dharma-megha 
samadhi)?

TIA,

Vaj


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