>
> --- In [email protected], new_morning_blank_slate
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > > > On May 24, 2006, at 4:21 PM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:
> >
> > > I ask you both, with no rancor, do you believe that
> > > the higher states of consciousness can be accurately
> > > descrbed in words?
> >
> > No. Neither can love or beauty.
> >
> > Nor do I find such labels as "Enlightenment" "Awakening" etc
> > particualrly useful.
> >
> > However many use such terms. And so since these terms are many-
> > meaning words, and posters usually do not define the terms (but
> > imply like the girl in Jeb MecKenna's first book "well, you
> > know, 'enlightenment'. ..you know, where have you been,
> > like 'ENLIGHTENMENT !!'." ), definitions of attributes
> > improves communications.
>
> But not reality.
>
> > But as demonstrated in an adjacent post replying to your query,
> > I do feel some characteristic attributes of higher states, of
> > A and E can be defined.
>
> Then we have little more to discuss. I've been trying
> to both perceive and describe such attributes for 34
> years and failing miserably every time. I wish you
> better luck.
I am not that intersted indoing so. You asked me to do so, MMY's at
least,and in minutes I cam up with 18 attributes. What did you think
of them?
Again, personally, I think the terms and labels A and E have little
value. Partly for the reasons you point out above. However, I have
made the sole and simple request that if and when people feel such
terms are useful in their posts, it would improve communicaions if
they defined them. To indicate differences in how they use the terms
compared to the MMY attributes.
Otherwise, a type of logical fallacy, if not slight of hand, is being
deployed. Being a list with strong TM roots, a starting point for many
is to use MMY's attributes to define enlightenment(s). As you did. If
one is using E. or similar terms, but meaning a state with different
attributes than the MMY18, its honest and an act of integrity to
clarify that.
If people can't identify which if any or all of the MMY 18 apply to
their enlightenment then it raises questions on a number of levels.
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