--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:41 AM, sparaig wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 2:10 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > >
> > > > I always felt that a Western description of the essence
> > > > of tantra can be found in the Odyssey. Odysseus is
> > > > sailing past the island of the sirens, of whom he has
> > > > been warned. Sailors who hear their song become so
> > > > captured by it that they drive their ships onto the
> > > > rocks in pursuit of it and drown. So he has his crew
> > > > stuff their ears with wax so that they can sail safely
> > > > past, while he leaves his ears open and has himself
> > > > tied to the mast so that he can hear it and exper-
> > > > ience their song for himself.
> > > >
> > > > Whatever the particular practices of a particular
> > > > formalized tradition of Tantra, its essence IMO has
> > > > to do with exploring the polarities between energies,
> > > > and learning how to manipulate those energies, for
> > > > one's own good and that of others. Sex is just one
> > > > tiny subset of polarized energies, having no more
> > > > importance than any other.
> > >
> > >
> > > The most remarkable western equivalents I have seen are in western
> > > alchemical texts and Kabbalistic texts which contain some sexual
> > > practices.
> > >
> >
> > Interesting that Middle Eastern and Indo-European practices are 
> > referred to as "Western."
>
>
> Not really. The texts I am referring to come from western Europe: 
> England and Spain. What's more interesting to me is that these texts 
> don't appear in the west until *after* the Islamic invasions of India...
>

Which was my point. Spain had a Moorish influence. Kaballah comes from whereever it
comes from, but likely not Christianity.








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