So many people here considering themselves freethinking TMers who have gotten away from the cultish mentality, and yet, like a grain of sand in an oyster, people have made a pearl out of the utter mythical nonsense that MMY taught, which was based on lies, misappropriation of truth and others resources, and then they call him Shiva. Ha Ha.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Kirk
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

'Nature' is a fallacy. This teaching is the bane of religious ethics and morality. The same issue was used by Hitler and is a mainstay of all megalomaniacs to allow them to issue any fatwa that they wish.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:21 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Clarifying The Energy Field'

"The enlightened person,
according to MMY's teaching, doesn't make
mistakes *from nature's "perspective"*; but it's
entirely possible for nature to "want" the
enlightened person to make a mistake, for
nature's own unfathomable purposes (e.g., to
nudge the person's followers into using their
own judgment)."

I could never get this excuse to fly when I was married.  How does he
pull this off?








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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "coshlnx" <coshlnx@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > However, there could be a good deal of semantic
> > > > > ambiguity here, in light of how MMY defines Unity
> > > > > consciousness.
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words: Does he have the ability to want to
> > > > > do siddhis on demand, independently of what nature
> > > > > "wants"?
> > > > >
> > > > If he is enlightened, then what nature wants and what he does
> > are
> > > > the same thing; indistinguishable.
> > >
> > > This is speculation, not a trace of evidence for it.
>
> Just to clarify the context, it had to do with
> whether what MMY teaches is internally consistent,
> not whether what he teaches is "true."
>
>  Equally
> > > speculative but not as much based on flawed authorities like MMY
> > > would be the statement that among the unenlightened, and the E'd,
> > > there are varying degrees of "what nature wants". <snip> Please,
> > no "MMY said so" - therefore it must be true!.
> >
> > This is a frequent mistake people make, *assuming* that Maharishi
> > [or another guru] is enlightened (I think psychologists refer to
> > this phenomenon as transference), and then based on that assumption,
> > interpret what Maharishi says as true, often misintepreting and
> > misunderstanding what the guru says.
>
> It's the second part of this that causes the
> most trouble, IMO.  At least (again) in the context
> of what MMY teaches, the dictum that enlightened
> people "don't make mistakes" is frequently
> misunderstood (and MMY hasn't done a whole lot
> to clarify it).  The enlightened person,
> according to MMY's teaching, doesn't make
> mistakes *from nature's "perspective"*; but it's
> entirely possible for nature to "want" the
> enlightened person to make a mistake, for
> nature's own unfathomable purposes (e.g., to
> nudge the person's followers into using their
> own judgment).
>
>
> >
> > Another point to make for you: argue for your limitations and they
> > are yours.
> >
> > 
> > > > That is one of the completely different ways of functioning of
> > an
> > > > enlightened person. Before enlightenment, it is all intention
> > based
> > > > on ego, which is not a bad thing, just a lot harder.
> > > >
> > > > After enlightenment, there is not much ownership, it is just
> > easier
> > > > to do what nature wants because it is easiest to support nature,
> > > and
> > > > in turn nature supports us. I know it sounds crazy, but it is
> > > simply
> > > > the way it is. So intention exists, and desires exist and
> > dedicated
> > > > thought and action exist, but supported by nature. It is just
> > > easier.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>






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