"But physicalists are
> so used to thinking that "most fundamental" means "most significant"
> that they believe all higher branches of knowledge must be grounded
> in least-depthed holons or not be grounded at all. Thus the constant
> tendency to "extend physics" (however imaginatively interpreted)
> directly to any and all domains."-

Nice naildown!  I like what he says about physics.  I am looking
forward to hearing if he can deliver what he promises on the spiritual
side.



-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> from a footnote (!) in Sex, Ecology, & Spirituality
> 
> 
>    Nowhere are the catastrophes of taking monological sciences and  
> trying to make them into a complete "new paradigm" more obvious than  
> in the "new physics and mysticism" writers and theorists, whose names  
> are simply too legend to begin even a short list. When reductionists  
> have a spiritual experience (not generally dealt with in physics  
> textbooks), it usually acts as an incitement to commit philosophy,  
> and the result is not for the faint-hearted.
> 
> However wonderfully well intentioned, most of these theories—which  
> play on the theme that the "new physics" (quantum and relativistic)  
> supports/suggests/proves a mystically unified worldview—most of these  
> theories are totally crippled by trying to simply extend a flatland  
> monological paradigm into dialogical and translogical domains (more  
> of the flatland "bigger portions of bad food" approach). They  
> generally take certain mathematical formalisms (especially the  
> Schroedinger wave equation and its collapse upon measurement) and  
> give them a very wide interpretation (despite the fact that  
> physicists themselves are sharply divided over how to interpret the  
> formalisms), and they then wed this very loose and generous  
> interpretation with their often equally loose interpretation of  
> mystical spirituality, and the result is supposed to be something  
> like, the new physics supports or even proves a mystical worldview.  
> (Physics and mysticism are pronounced cousins, even though we all  
> know what happens when cousins marry.)This inbred marriage, of  
> course, is promptly called "the new paradigm," and absolutely  
> everything else is swept aside and the New Era announced. Danah  
> Zohar: "The idea of a 'quantum society' stems from a conviction that  
> a whole new paradigm is emerging from our description of quantum  
> reality and that this paradigm can be extended to change radically  
> our perception of ourselves and the social world we want to live in.  
> A wider appreciation of quantum reality can give us the conceptual  
> foundations we need to bring about a positive revolution in  
> society" (The quantum society).From formalisms describing the lowest,  
> shallowest, least conscious, least-depthed holons in existence,  
> "extended to a paradigm" that is supposed to cover dialogical,  
> intersubjective, cultural exchange based on mutual understanding and  
> mutual recognition: this is more than a quantum leap, it is a  
> Guinness Book of Records leap of faith, and bad faith at that.  
> Quantum formalisms cannot even account for the fundamentals of  
> biology and autopoiesis, let alone economics, psychology, literature,  
> poetry, morals and ethics, to name a vital few. But physicalists are  
> so used to thinking that "most fundamental" means "most significant"  
> that they believe all higher branches of knowledge must be grounded  
> in least-depthed holons or not be grounded at all. Thus the constant  
> tendency to "extend physics" (however imaginatively interpreted)  
> directly to any and all domains. (...huge snip)
>







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