--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For the past few days, I've been contributing to the wikipedia 
> > entry on Transcendental 
> > > Meditation. Boy, is that fun in dysfunctional sort of way. 
Between 
> > Peter, Andrew Skolnick and 
> > > myself, we've managed to completely rewrite the whole thing 
about 
> > 10x over.
> > > 
> > > http://www.wikipedia.org keyword: "transcendental meditation". 
> > Click on the "history" tab to 
> > > see what I mean...
> > 
> > Omigod, what a disaster.  Skolnick's going to turn
> > the entry into a rerun of his JAMA article if he's not
> > stopped.
> > 
> > I'm tempted to put in a paragraph or three on the JAMA
> > episode and point out that one of the people making
> > "contributions" to the entry is the author of the JAMA
> > muckraking piece and that he was sued by TM for it.
> > 
> 
> its immaterial to the way Wikipedia works. As long as Andrew can 
back up his rhetoric with  
> references to external sources, he's within guidelines.

Yeah, but as long as folks realized one of the 
"contributors" had a personal interest in making
TM look bad, and had a history of doing so by
misleading, they might take the worst bits with a
few more grains of salt.

> > There ought to be *some* way of getting a person 
> > barred from editing Wikipedia entries when it can be
> > demonstrated that they have a personal interesting in
> > and a history of smearing whatever the entry is about.
> > Or at the very least, there ought to be some way of
> > identifying such a person's "contributions" in the
> > main entry.
> > 
> > (Laswon, please do me a flavor: Don't let Peter Klutz
> > keep putting in the phrase "comprises of"--it isn't
> > English.  You corrected it once, and he put it back in;
> > then you or someone else corrected it again--but he's
> > liable to put it back if you're not careful.  Minor
> > point, but the phrase is really illiterate.)
> 
> 
> Peter has a habit of deleting entire sections without vetting with 
the rest of the 
> contributors so I don't see me as having any influence on the 
situation

Well, if he puts that phrase back in, delete it and
reference a professional editor (moi)!


, save that I possibly 
> made it worse by challenging Andrew on a point or two. He got angry 
after that and 
> started quoting  3rd hand sources within the body of the article. 
The nastier, the better, 
> IMHO.

Of course.

> > You're doing terrific work, Lawson, but if Andrew has
> > time on his hands, countering his distortions and
> > misstatements is going to be a full-time job.
> >
> 
> Eh. Selective quoting is what Wiki is all about in these 
controversial areas, I suspect.








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