--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The earliest flying posters perpetrated this deception explicitly. 
> Only later did they try to backtrack a little on the claim of
> maximum coherence during flying.  Was anyone there when MMY decided 
> to put the maximum coherence with flying?  I remember it caused a 
> bit of a fuss because it was so deceptive.  Maybe someone there can 
> tell how it happened that those EEG waves got associated with 
> flying.

My guess would be because the *experience* of flying
is so clearly one of maximum coherence.  Whether it's
measurable during flying is another question entirely.





> 
> I remember My MIU class figuring this out because we had all seen 
the
> elaborate hookups for EEG and knew this chart had to be false.  Do 
you
> remember how the first Siddhas were so coy about the flying level
> achieved?  That was such an interesting time.  Remember the first
> siddi descriptions booklet?  I have it around somewhere.  That was a
> real piece of work!  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002"
> <markmeredith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <no_reply@>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, johnlasher20002000 
> > > > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As I'm sure any of the psychologists on the list who have 
worked
> > > with
> > > > > > EEG biofeedback can attest, and I also have personal 
experience
> > > with,
> > > > > > a scalp electrode to provide brainwave feedback only
> measures a tiny
> > > > > > electrical impulse. Any movement or even blinking the 
eyes will
> > > > > > interfere with the accuracy of the reading. How can the 
TMO
> results
> > > > > > showing maximum brainwave coherence (which is a  Fourier
> Analysis of
> > > > > > the outputs) while flying be possible. The movement would
> > > destroy the
> > > > > > data output???
> > > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > ****************
> > > > > 
> > > > > Probably those muscle artifacts have a characteristic
> signature which 
> > > > > is ignored or minimized by the program which does the fast
> fourier 
> > > > > analysis.
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > That's one way of doing it. David OJ says they did it by 
visual
> > > inspection of the EEG, which 
> > > > is generally more accurate. The MOST accurate way of doing it 
is to
> > > have one (or more?) 
> > > > time-coded video camera on the person and deleting any EEG 
that
> > > occurs when there is a 
> > > > visible twitch, but I don't think most researchers  bother 
with
> > > that, at least not these days.
> > > 
> > > While at the Berkeley TM center, I worked with a world class
> > > physiology professor there to do an EEG study of yogic flying, 
got
> > > permission for her to watch a flying session and begin 
designing the
> > > study.  She was a meditator with a positive view of TM, was 
excited
> > > about the project.  After seeing a flying session, she said it 
was
> > > impossible to get anything close to an accurate reading of yogic
> > > flying using an EEG and the coherence studies "during liftoff" 
were
> > > nonsense.
> > >
> > 
> > "Point of liftoff" not "during liftoff." Interesting that she
> couldn't catch the distinction.
> >
>






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