--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues"
> > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting the link.  I am really surprised that they are
> > > continuing with this blatant lie!  Arrogance, pure and simple.  
> > > They don't give people enough credit that they would know that 
> > > this claim is as physically impossible as humans flying in the 
> > > air. It must be discouraging for his current students to see 
> > > that no attempt is being made to be truthful in this absurd 
> > > claim.  
> > 
> > I think that to some extent you are missing the point.
> > This "research" is *not* for the world at large, who
> > wouldn't be taken in by it. It's for the students who
> > have already paid for the TM-siddhi course, or who are
> > about to. It's a way to give them something to hang
> > onto that sounds rational, a "scientific" excuse they
> > can point to when someone asks why they paid thousands 
> > of dollars to learn how to fly.
> 
> Well, actually, as I recall, they were shown at
> intro lectures once they had started publicizing
> the TM-Sidhis course and Yogic Flying.
> 
> > Personally, the thing that's astounded me in these
> > recent discussions is how tenaciously a couple of
> > people here have adopted the role of apologist, trying
> > to find some loophole, some way of analyzing the exact
> > wording, some shread of hope that enables them to 
> > portray this presentation as something other than an 
> > intentional attempt to mislead.
> 
> Well, actually, what you're seeing is a couple of
> people here pointing out how far the anti-TMers will
> go to twist the facts in order to cobble together
> their accusations of fraud.
> 
> > People have an innate need to continue believing in 
> > the things they have spent decades believing in, I 
> > guess (not to mention justifying the money they've
> > spent on those beliefs), and logic really doesn't enter
> > into the equation when that need is threatened.
> 
> For example: What *matters* with regard to these
> studies is not whether EEG coherence can be
> measured during actual hopping, but that there is
> a very sharp increase in coherence with the use
> of the technique (the sutra).  That it can't be
> measured after hopping begins is irrelevant.
> 
> Obviously, nobody is going to be any *more* impressed
> if they believe coherence continues during hopping.
> Yet the bitter-enders, contrary to reason and logic,
> are trying to make a huge deal of the fact that the
> charts could be interpreted that way.  Nobody is
> going to decide to take the TM-Sidhis course because
> they believe they'll experience EEG coherence while
> they're hopping, as opposed to when they use the
> sutra.

Actually, I believe that coherence DOES continue after hopping starts, even if 
it can't be 
measured.






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