--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The layers function in Photoshop allows you to vary the opacity to see > the lines underneath. It is not preserved when you flatten the > graphic. Once flattened and compressed for the Web it looks like one > graph. I can't preserve what you need to see for a Web graphic. But > any program with layers can allow you to match them up. You have to > go back and forth with the opacity to see how they line up. Changing > opacity changes the colors, they become less distinct so you have to > go back and forth to compare. It satisfied me, you will have to judge > for yourself.
<trying one more time> Did you reduce the larger chart to the size of the blue chart before you did this layering? Curtis, I honestly don't know why you bother to participate in these discussions when you ignore almost everything that challenges opinions you have expressed. Such as: <snip> > > > Judy: My point on the issue of deception--which you haven't > > > addressed at all--is that *if* it was deceptive, it's > > > entirely irrelevant from a marketing point of view, > > > because nobody's going to decide to take the TM-Sidhis > > > on the mistaken belief that high EEG coherence has > > > been measured during actual hopping, as opposed to > > > right before hopping. > > > > > > Me: We have already ruled out the theory about it being before > > > hopping. > > > > How have we ruled that out? By "before hopping," I > > mean during a given Yogic Flying session, not before > > people started to hop at all. > > > > > It is a 10 minute period of coherence claimed. > > > > And the chart from the TM site (the one on the left) > > shows coherence rising steeply before liftoff, then > > falling off immediately after liftoff. > > > > > Deception in > > > marketing pieces is not irrelevant to me. It is part of the proof > > > machine that builds a case on the value of the practice to people in > > > the movement. > > > > But Curtis, it *is* irrelevant in terms of both the > > point of the research (which is that the Yogic > > Flying technique produces high EEG coherence, > > irrespective of when exactly it happens during the > > practice), and irrelevant for any marketing purpose > > (since nobody's going to take the TM-Sidhis course > > simply because they believe, incorrectly, that > > coherence has been measured during hopping, as opposed > > to right before hopping). It's a distinction without > > a difference. > > > > > It should matter to people who believe that the > > > practice has value because it weakens their case in an obvious > > > manor. > > > > I'd just as soon they were scrupulously accurate in > > every last little tiny detail, but to elevate this > > one as you and others have into some monstrous > > deception is absurd. There are far more legitimate > > beefs with other TMO doings. > > > > > One of the reasons that it interested me is because this kind of > > > proof was in our faces all the time at MIU. We lived and breathed > > > this stuff and it added a lot of credibility to what we were doing > > > in my mind. Leaning how flawed it was sucked for me. > > > > Why don't you pick a couple of examples that genuinely > > *mattered* to complain about, examples of deception > > you know about firsthand that actually resulted in > > people doing things--taking courses, whatever--that > > they wouldn't otherwise have done? > > > > When you harp on something as trivial as this chart, > > you trigger the suspicion that it's the *worst* you > > can come up with. > > > > > As I said before, I think the whole chart was fabricated > > > when MMY asked someone to put the highest coherence next > > > to flying because he "knew" this was true. > > > > And as I said before, the fact that MMY asked for > > "the highest coherence" indicates that there *was* > > some significantly high coherence measured during > > Yogic Flying (if not during hopping). If brain- > > wave coherence has any value, it'll have value no > > matter when it occurs during the practice, or when > > it can be *measured* during the practice. > > > > (I don't know about you, but my experience of the > > flying sutra is that when I use it, my mind feels > > as though it becomes extremely clear, and this sense > > of clarity continues right through hopping. If > > that clarity I feel before hopping is EEG coherence, > > then I'm damned if it isn't there during hopping as > > well.) > > > > I don't think you have the slightest basis for > > suspicion, given your account of what MMY said, that > > the whole coherence thing was made up from scratch. > > If it were, then he'd have said, "Make up something > > that looks like high coherence and create a chart > > that says it's happening during flying." > > > > What you remember him saying argues that the EEG > > coherence data was legitimate, just not put in > > precisely the right place. (And we don't even know > > that it wasn't in the right place, since we have no > > way of ruling out O-J's explanation about eliminating > > the artifacts.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/