On Jul 8, 2006, at 8:13 PM, sparaig wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Jul 8, 2006, at 4:20 PM, sparaig wrote:


--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:



On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:29 PM, new.morning wrote:


I deleted this post a few minutes after sending it, seeing that  

Spraig

did respond with a link of cites (a bit of a shotgun) some of wich

possibly support the SA articles point.


Possibly. TB's are great at posting such BS, I'd be very careful. A

common pattern really among many fundamentalists: dazzle with the BS.


Unlike people who claim to beable to self-induce complete brain- 

death temporarily?



LOL, not that's not a claim. Keep in mind true brain death would also  

include no cerebral perfusion.


Will have to wait to see the results as they become available. As of  

now there are few clear light meditators in the west to even do much  

research on this topic (as compared to basic meditation, where there  

are many subjects). And as you know, most funded research is  

interested in aimed groups of reproducible practitioners. It will be  

interesting to see what the future brings, but I'm not holding onto  

great hope for real large scale studies on this calibre of meditators  

who are really the 'olympic athletes of meditation'. They're few in  

number. However, just as a casual comment, I'd expect we'd see  

something similar to Ken Wilber's neurofeedback experiment, the  

nirvakalpa samadhi example: flat on alpha, flat on beta and flat on  

theta, but maxxed out on delta. (With mantra, ishta or yidam practice  

I'd expect witnessing artifact to be present.)



I hadn't noticed the "maxed out on delta" part. That's not flatline EEG, BTW.



No, only relatively. Somethings gotta keep watch on the shop... :-)
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