--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 9, 2006, at 8:49 PM, new.morning wrote: > > > He applauds TM for what does well, such as provide > > liberation (CC). And he, perhaps cautiously, admits it can provide the > > non-dual state. That sounds "positive" to me. > > > After studying under Patanjali and Shankaracharya tradition pundits > in the 80's it's clear that while manasika japa/TM is a helpful step > in the earlier stages of the path to turiyatita ("CC") as described > by Patanjali and others, it's only a solid early step and by no means > a sufficient one for anything other than the first signs of that > state (of CC). One of the ways this slight of hand (of confusing > witnessing with acquisition of CC) was accomplished was by simply > redefining CC/turiyatita and then indoctrinating people in this new > definition. This gave both hope and continuing support for other TMO > services, as well as faith in the product students were using. > > So it *is* positive, but only in a limited sense. > Hi, I can appreciate your ongoing insistence that TM doesn't provide a complete picture of Liberation, and that it is limited in this regard.
However, have you considered that the main goal of the TM teaching is to provide the practitioners with Liberation (enlightenment, Self- Realization, etc.) first and foremost, and then let them decide how much further they want to go? In other words, what Maharishi currently has made available to everyone (granted for a price...) is the ability to achieve true and total spiritual freedom in this lifetime. Has he covered all of the territory beyond that? No. Because his purpose is in providing the tools for spiritual freedom first and foremost, vs. the full territorial map of spiritual pursuits. You appear to be making a judgment that if one doesn't learn this full territorial map of spiritual pursuits *prior* to gaining spiritual freedom, then the path one is on is invalid, or certainly inferior. This appears to me to be an approach which will always confine you and anyone else of similar thinking to forever be a seeker, and never realize your Liberation. By your continually insisting that Maharishi's offered knowledge is somehow incomplete, it may also introduce doubts into the minds of those who are on the path to Self-Realization. >From personal experience, I can say that what Maharishi provides is the complete package for Self-Realization. Is there more after that? Of course. However, let us first get out of prison, and then after that we can explore everything else the world has to offer. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
