--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <kennyhassman@> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > 
> > > A gal I knew from another spiritual trip had an inter-
> > > esting theory about this stuff. She felt that although 
> > > there is a lot of variety among the spiritual seekers 
> > > one finds in this world, basically you can pretty
> > > safely "sort" them into two categories.
> > > 
> > > The first category is composed of the seekers who are 
> > > content with reading about other people's adventures.
> > > They get off on scriptures and tales of other people's
> > > enlightenment, and on intellectual discussions of other
> > > people's experiences, and that's enough for them.
> > > 
> > > The second category is composed of mystics, those who
> > > will settle for nothing less than having their *own*
> > > experiences. Reading about them isn't enough; talking
> > > about them isn't enough; coming up with entertaining
> > > (but essentially worthless) models to "explain" the
> > > experiences isn't enough. They want the Real Thing,
> > > and if the spiritual group or teacher they're assoc-
> > > iated with isn't providing it, they move on to some-
> > > thing that does.
> > > 
> > > I've always tended to agree with her assessment. In
> > > general, the people in the first group say "Maharishi
> > > says" (or "<Fill-in-name-of-teacher-or-historical-saint
> > > here> says") a lot. Because they're not actually *having*
> > > very many spiritual experiences, they assume that no one
> > > else is either, and therefore they become dependent on
> > > intellectual analysis of Other People's Experiences, 
> > > especially those of their teacher, whom they *imagine*
> > > is having all *sorts* of good experiences.
> > 
> > Barry, there is no way you/we can know whether "...they're 
> > not actually having very many spiritual experiences..." 
> 
> Of course there is. If you're part of the spiritual
> group, and if the group (unlike TM) encourages its
> members to freely discuss their experiences, all you
> have to do is listen. :-)
> 
> > Who knows who "they" even are, how they would define 
> > spirituality, what they were really looking for, how 
> > their interpretations of their own growth in life 
> > have changed, etc.
> 
> My feelings on this are colored by who I studied with.
> The Rama guy, when I first ran into him, gave unmis-
> takably clear instructions about the importance of 
> having one's own experiences. His instruction to us
> was, "If you are studying with me and go for longer
> than a month without having at least one spiritual
> experience that completely and totally changes your
> life and rocks your world, it's time to move on." 
> 
> I stuck around for fourteen years.
> 
> Suffice it to say that the frequency of strong, clear,
> unmistakable spiritual experiences is not the same in
> all spiritual groups as it is in the TMO.
>

Not surprising since TM is about changing one's LIFE, not about having 
spiritual 
experiences.





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