--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:36 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > >> > >> > >>> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Vaj said: They felt he was a "seller of > >>> > >>>>> the > >>>>> > >>>>>> Vedas" and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the "saint" > >>>>>> > >>>>> some > >>>>> > >>>>>> imagine... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> Jim said: Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. > >>> Just look at > >>> > >>>>> the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. > >>>>> > > Or > > > >>>>> the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much > >>>>> importance in titles. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Vaj said: I think the sages who said that originally saw it > >>> as "cause and > >>> > >>>> effect". Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a > >>>> > >>> good > >>> > >>>> "cause" and therefore had some bad effects... > >>>> > >>>> > >>> I can't imagine why this would cause bad effects. Even money > >>> > > comes > > > >>> from the same place everything else does...I suppose if they were > >>> caught up into the thinking that making money was somehow > >>> inconsistent with a spiritual life...I don't know, it seems > >>> > > silly to > > > >>> me, given that a service is being provided. > >>> > >> > >> > >> It's an interesting point Jim--I too have found this damnation by > >> jnanis to be bizarre--but not the point. The point was that > >> > > Amma's > > > >> remarks were gentle by comparison--and the comparison to a mother > >> caring, touching to everyone (everyone has a mom). > >> > >> > > > > I guess meditation is something everyone has an opinion on... > > In more recent times, some teachers have been more explicit. One was > the jnani Papaji: > > The following is from The Truth Is, Sri H.W.L. Poonja, > edited and compiled by Prashanti de Jager, pages 418 - 421 > > POONJAJI SAID: > > "This is the Kali Yuga, > Even Rakshashas (demons) will incarnate as teachers to mislead you. > Those who must be destroyed by these demons will be. > > Test the Guru by the teaching: > without inquiry there is no teaching. > Shun every teacher who does not teach inquiry. > Directly looking at your own face is the only teaching. > > If the Guru says 'I am enlightened,' > it means the ego is enlightened so stay away. > Western teachers who say this are preachers so stay away > and only write books to load more garbage on seekers, > and more money in their pockets. > They will attract so many students, > but in Kali Yuga it is the falsehood which will draw the crowds. > The Truth and the true Gurus will be neglected. > If there is a teacher and a student for more than one second > then both of them go to avachi hell!" > > Papaji, bizarrely, is also one of the main sources of the Pseudo- > advaita movement, although this occurred mainly after his death, it > also happened while he was still alive--but he put a quick stop to it > then. A group of satang service providers began claiming > enlightenment, eventually a group of about 50 people did so. Papaji > put an end to that confronting the ego trip head on. But as soon as > he died it continued and has expanded up to the current day. > > "In the early 90's a sannyasin couple who went to Papaji "got > enlightened" in very short order, started holding satsangs and pretty > soon had a group of fifty people around them who had also "gotten > it." The bubble did burst and no harm was done. In this instance > quality control was achieved because Papaji was still in the body. > Since he died in 1997 however, many who were with him only a short > time are getting into the biz." > > Were you aware that some children had reported that M. was a demon? > An interesting but bizarre factoid. You know what they say about 'out > of the mouths of babes'! > > Ain't life bizarre! > Yeah, westerners are always prone to 'instant enlightenment'. I can't recall the name of the guru who said instant enlightenment lasts just for an instant.
As to all the stuff you are quoting from Poonjaji, sure Kali Yuga is Kali Yuga, God Bless It, but what does that have to do with anything we are talking about? I thought the conversation was regarding charging money to teach meditation. I still think there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. As to children reporting Maharishi is a demon- so what? We all have both demonic and angelic potential. What is a demon? A demon just like an angel only comes alive in response to our desire. I always found a lot of truth in the expression, 'whatever you put your attention on, grows'. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
