--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play; > > > the "different experience" premise may "multiply > > > entities beyond necessity." The explanation that the > > > TMers are experiencing the same thing as what is > > > reported in the historical literature is simpler than > > > one that posits two completely different types of > > > experience that are described the same way. > > > > Ironically, I'm starting to suspect that there IS the > > possibility that different meditation techniques, rather > > than eventually inducing the same state, are actually > > inducing different states that can be described the same way. > > We finally agree on something. I would say that the > number of possible 'states' to be measured is at > least the same as the number of people being tested, > and is probably higher, because each meditator is > capable of producing multiple states. > > The desire to make it *seem* as if this is one state > that can be measured with any accuracy is a factor > of the belief system driving the "research."
Of course, what I'm saying doesn't contradict your notion (whether it's true or not). But what *you're* saying is self-contradictory if you're including transcendental-consciousness-by- itself. Once again, your eagerness to bash MMY and TMers has led you to ignore the context and as a result come up with utter nonsense. That's > what Maharishi wants to prove, so that's what the > researchers are looking for. And when they look for > something hard enough, and know that their ability to > get "strokes" from their teacher is completely depen- > dent on what it appears that they found, they tend to > "find" exactly what Maharishi wanted found. > > I would say that the same phenomenon would be present > in research on any technique of meditation in which > the meditators were devoted practitioners of the > technique being "researched." They already know what > they're hoping to find, and thus they "find" it. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
