--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> dis·hon·est    Pronunciation Key  (ds-nst)
> adj.
> 
>    1. Disposed to lie, cheat, defraud, or deceive.
>    2. Resulting from or marked by a lack of honesty.
> 
> You are going to want to correct those silly folks over at
> dictionary.com about this.

Um, no, those definitions will do just fine for
what I'm talking about.  What exactly did you think
I'd have to correct?

> You are trying to make this distinction so you can imply that I am
> lying without any proof.

No, I'm making the distinction because there *is* such
a distinction.  I'd have no hesitation about saying
you were lying if you had lied (and I never do that
without documenting it).

  It is a predictable move that you have
> pulled too often in our discussions.  I accept that you hold a
> different view of flying than I do.  I don't need to resort to this
> unfriendly tactic.

Has nothing *whatsoever* to do with our different
views of flying.  It has to do with your sleazy (i.e.,
dishonest) debating tactics (and I've clearly specified
what they are).

> You are still missing the point of my Pulp Fiction quote.   You have
> positioned yourself as a person on this group who is specially
> qualified to determine what is true.

No, I have done no such thing.  I suspect you
have that idea because you expect to get away
with your dishonesty and are astonished to
find that you can't.

  It makes discussions with you so
> unpleasant, that most people can only weather a few rounds with your
> constant barrage, and then they give up frustrated.  You are not
> superior to the other posters here.

Certainly not, nor did I ever suggest I was.  

  You are just offering your own
> opinion about these topics.  If you would learn to treat people with
> respect and kindness you would not end up in these contentions,
> unpleasant debates.

Dishonesty is neither respectful nor kind.  What
makes you think you deserve to be treated with
respect and kindness in return for your dishonesty?

> But you are choosing this view and it becomes a
> self-fulfilling prophesy.
> 
> I believe that you enjoy feeling self-righteous and angry in your
> communications on this group.

You can believe whatever makes you feel better.  The
*fact*, however, is that I prefer respectful, honest
discussions--such as the one I had with you about
the Schroedinger quote.  You seem to have erased that
one from your memory, since it doesn't jibe with what
you'd like to believe about me.

  It is a choice.  So if you treat people
> this way, don't be surprised if they don't want to discuss topics 
> with you.

Anybody is free to discuss or not discuss anything
with me.  That they don't want to have a discussion
with me, however, doesn't mean I'm going to stop
commenting, especially when they've posted something
dishonest.

> The weird thing is that I think you enjoy these discussions, but you
> kill them off with your unpleasantness.  I don't think you can help 
> it.

Think what you like.  It could also be that certain
people are afraid to engage in discussions with me
because they've learned they can't get away with
the dishonest tactics they've come to depend on.

> For the record, as you like to say, my communications with you have
> been my sincere opinions about the topics we have discussed.  I am 
> not right about all sorts of things in this world.  I have been 
> wrong plenty of times in my life.  I may be wrong about the opinions
> expressed here.  But they are my honest opinions and I will discuss
> them with anyone who treats me respectfully.

Again: It has nothing to do with your opinions, it
has to do with your dishonest manner of debating
them.  And I've never accused you of being insincere
in your opinions.

It may make you more comfortable to think that I
accuse you of dishonesty simply because I disagree
with you, but you're just being dishonest with
yourself.







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