--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Vaj wrote: > > > > > On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: > >>> > >>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> > >> wrote: > >>>>>> I've never heard anything other than that. I never > >>>>> heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. > >>>> > >>>> On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi made > >> the > >>>> following statement which contradicts the assumption that he never > >>>> claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami > >>>> Brahmanand Saraswati. > >>>> > >>>> 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in bringing > >> out so > >>>> clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And his, > >> his > >>>> blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he left > >> his > >>>> body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime for, > >> for > >>>> any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his presence > >> and > >>>> that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't have > >>>> started during his time'. > >>> > >>> As has been repeated here before many times > >> > >> (Which must make it true...) > >> > >> , and also verified by > >>> Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis > >> > >> Documentation, please. On what basis was it "verified"? > > > > > > You'd have to ask Dana. He's talked to many of these guys. I have > > his article on the Dandis and it may mention it simply in passing, > > as what they do with householders. > > > > Keep in mind there are teachers in the Shank. tradition who will > > realize a certain student is ripe for non-dual meditation and teach > > them a method that isn't as dualistic as meditation with an object. > > > > > > And yet another comment from Dana: > > > I also find the great strengths that exist in other organizations. > But > >this thing, of our experiencing "live mantrah", something that > exists on > >its own, deep within self, that something which moves self into > Self, is > >that thing which makes TM so very precious. > > This is not a unique quality of TM. It exists in all formal, Tantric > Hindu and Buddhist traditions. There is no aspect of TM practice that is > not common in these traditions (as I mentioned before, the only change > I've seen is in how drifting from the mantra is interpreted. In TM, it's > attributed to unstressing; in the mainline traditions it's attributed to > lack of success. In both cases the instruction is the same - "return to > the mantra once you realize you're off of it." > > The sooner that TMers face the fact that there is nothing amazing or > unusual about their practice (and time spent exploring the mainline > Hindu > traditions points this up) the sooner they'll understand why even > after 35 > years of regular meditation they still aren't enlightened. There is no > magic technique. Maharishi was able to convince Westerners that there > was > simply because young Westerners didn't know better. TM is relaxing and > relaxing is nice. All these years of practice by Westerners proves that > TM isn't the magic pill we once thought it was. And if it was, then > Asians already practicing it would have been enlightened long ago.
This is my experience too. TM is good - because it gives good relaxation. But if we want something more - enlightenment - we have to add something else. And so far I cannot see that the TMO has come up with that. Ingegerd ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
