"The majority of people who got their dome badges were not asked the
incredibly difficult questions I was asked, so they did not have to
lie face to face to someone,"

Doug writing: Would the dome attendence numbers collapse, by half if 
people were also generally required to sign foreswearing the 
declarations that they are holding ShivaMa to as below?  There are 
probably easily 500 or 800 people in the domes just like ShivaMa who 
have just seen the saints too.

<
"I  SEVERED
 any connection I had with any saints and SEVERED the use of any
 techniques that they had taught me, and that I would NEVER 
establish 
 a
 connection with them again or practice any other techniques other 
 than
 Maharishi's, EVER AGAIN. And that I had to put all of this in 
 writing,
> promising that I would do this.  



Would probably cut quite a swath in those left in the domes.
-Doug in FF


>
> FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone you 
> think
> may benefit from it.
> All Love,
> Shiva Ma
> 
> My Dome rejection
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan  to  John Hagelin
> 
> Aug 2 (5 days ago)
> 
> Dear John,
> I was told to e-mail you if I had any trouble getting accepted at 
the
> dome. Hence this letter to you, because I have been faced with one 
of
> the most difficult choices of my life. John will you PLEASE share 
> this
> letter with Maharishi, as I want Him to know "THE REAL TRUTH"  
about
> what has happened in Fairfield. Please read everything I have 
written
> in this e-mail John, I have tried to be as honest and 
as "TRUTHFUL" 
> as
> I can. I also have suggestions at the end of this e-mail, that may
> benefit EVERYONE!
> 
> When I applied for the course, I was told I would need more time 
to 
> be
> processed. I knew I probably would not get an immediate acceptance,
> because a few years ago I applied and was asked if I practiced any
> techniques other than Maharishi's. I went to India with a GREAT 
saint
> from Asam, India, Shree Maa, in 1999, and I told the man 
questioning
> me "I had experienced EVERYTHING that India had to offer, and that
> what I learned in private, I kept private. I had asked the 
question 
> to
> over 600 people that I initiated,  back in the 
seventies: "Everything
> we learn in private, we keep private. Do you agree?" This answer
> seemed the most truthful and appropriate to me,  yet I was not
> accepted then for the dome.
> 
> This past Saturday July 29th, I was encouraged by my sister and
> brother-in law and several friends at a birthday party, that I 
should
> apply now for the dome, because they were accepting EVERYONE!
> Regardless of past associations with saints or other techniques, I 
> was
> told EVERYONE  was WELCOME BACK!!! The words "All sins would be
> forgiven" were used. Those words deeply pinched my heart. I have 
> never
> considered spending time with Fully Awakened Divine Beings a sin.  
I
> have been incredibly fortunate to travel with many saints over the
> last twelve years. Each ONE I always experienced as MAHARISHI. Each
> ONE, that I was BLESSED by, deepened my INCREDIBLE LOVE, RESPECT 
and
> ETERNAL GRATITUDE to Maharishi for all that He had given me in the
> past. Maharishi was my FIRST GURU!!!   Yet Maharishi became
> inaccessible to me. The last time I saw Him was at The 7000 Course 
in
> 1983. My heart was longing for him, So I felt that one by one He
> started sending different saints to BLESS ME!!!  Over the years, I
> have received the GRACE and BLESSINGS from over 15 different saints
> that have visited Fairfield since 1997. In 1994 my first GREAT
> BLESSING was from MOTHER MEERA, in Germany. She changed my life
> forever... I have had the GREAT fortune of traveling with many of
> these DIVINE BEINGS. I am so GRATEFUL for the Love and Grace I have
> been given from these PURE DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS of Gods and
> Goddess's.
> 
> I want to offer my HUMBLEST GRATITUDE to Maharishi for always
> remaining in my HEART of HEARTS, since November 19, 1971. I will 
be 
> in
> HIS ETERNAL DEBT for the GRACE HE SHOWERED upon me over and over 
> again
> throughout all these years. JAI GURU DEV MAHARISHI!  I LOVE YOU SO
> MUCH.....
> 
>  At the course office, Jeff Cohen was so sweet and kind to me on 
the
> phone, going over the guidelines for acceptance for the course.
> However the words he used when telling me what I needed to do, to 
get
> my badge, still penetrate me like millions of daggers in my HEART. 
I
> have not been able to shake them. {Please ask Maharishi to help me
> with this.} He said I would be able to get my badge if:  "I  
SEVERED
> any connection I had with any saints and SEVERED the use of any
> techniques that they had taught me, and that I would NEVER 
establish 
> a
> connection with them again or practice any other techniques other 
> than
> Maharishi's, EVER AGAIN. And that I had to put all of this in 
> writing,
> promising that I would do this.  For GOD'S SAKE, How in the name of
> WHOLENESS! ONENESS! DIVINITY! and SELF REALIZATION! could I promise
> that????????  My SOUL WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT....
> I could have lied and said anything that Jeff wanted to hear, got 
my
> badge, and no one would have known. THAT IS NOT ME, THAT IS NOT 
HOW I
> REPRESENT TRUTH AND DIVINITY. I DO NOT, AND I WILL NOT, EVER LIE to
> achieve a small gain in the present, who would I be lying to???? 
ONLY
> MY SELF!!!!!!!!
> 
> When Jeff was explaing to me how Maharishi said that one should not
> cross the river in two boats, it causes confusion. I told him: "I 
AM
> NO LONGER IN THE BOAT, I AM ON THE ISLAND!!!! I AM ENJOYING THE 
GOAL.
> I PARKED MY BOAT ON THE SIDE OF THE SHORE, MANY YEARS AGO, AND 
LEFT 
> IT
> THERE!" There are other people in Fairfield in the same place that 
I
> AM. We are  not nor could we ever again "BE CONFUSED" We are SELF
> REFERRAL NOW!!! No mistakes CAN be made. I LISTEN TO MY GOD SELF
> ALWAYS... My OWN INNER VOICE SPEAKS TO ME ALWAYS!!!  I AM not
> MAHARISHI or MOVEMENT REFERRAL anymore. The same SELF that is in 
ALL
> BEINGS, IN THE ONENESS OF ALL BEINGS, IN THAT SELF LUMINOUS SELF, 
> THAT
> IS WHERE I RESISDE!
> 
> The reason we have been asked to come together now in the DOME is 
the
> urgency of the World situation. It is because of  a war about
> "RELIGIOUS PREJUDICE, that we are being asked to assemble." It 
seems
> so sad to me that in our Own TM Movement we are "fighting amonst
> ourselves," We are lying to each other.  By not allowing each
> expression of Divinity to be "TRUE TO ITSELF" We have directly
> encouraged each other to "LIE" rather than stand up for what we
> believe in. When I started TM in 1971 I was told I would not have 
to
> give up my Religion or my beliefs or change my life in any way, 
just
> meditate twice a day. Please do not tell me, that now after all 
these
> years that was "JUST A LIE" I became a Governor to help create a
> better world,  "A HEAVEN ON EARTH" Unless the policies at the dome 
> are
> changed immediately to "EMBRACE" the life-styles and choices 
> of  "ALL"
> of it's members, we are just promoting "A LIE." How could we 
possibly
> "HELP"  the world if we cannot even "HELP" OUR "SELVES".
> 
> I felt responsible to let you know how many people have lied to get
> into the dome. Many peolple, in conversations at Revelations and 
> local
> restaurants have laughed about how they got away with something, 
> about
> how clever they were, that they fooled the Movement, making a joke
> about the whole thing. This has DEEPLY saddened me. Because no one
> asked them about the saints they have been visiting for years, 
they 
> of
> course did not volunteer that information, knowing they would be
> "BANNED" if they did. One of them actually said to me; "My life  
and
> what I do is nobody's business, not the Movement's, not 
Maharishi's. 
> I
> do what I want to do and I will continue to do whatever I want to 
do.
> I will lie through my teeth if I have to, it's none of anyone's
> business, what I do! And I have NO GUILT about it!"
> 
> John, I just want you to know that many, if not most of the people 
> who
> also visit the saints that come to Fairfield, got their dome 
badges.
> Believe me I know them all, because I help host  the saints and I
> helped set up the local Hindu Temple at 800 west Burlington { the 
old
> Tropicana Center} Over the years we have hosted many saints and 
have
> held numerous yagnyas. I always try to graciously make the 
different
> saints stay in Fairfield "WONDERFUL!"  It seems to be my job to do
> this, as I always find myself at the feet of each of them. I have
> bowed to the feet of each BEAUTIFUL expression of DIVINITY!!!  The
> same feet that I first bowed to in MAHARISHI,  I BOW TO ALL 
BEINGS...
> Yet in all BEINGS  " I BOW" to LORD SHIVA ONLY!!!  He is expressed 
in
> so many different DIVINE FORMS!!!!!  Incarnations of Gods and
> Goddesses alike...
> 
> All of the saints that visit Fairfield are  so FULL of PRAISE and
> GRATITUDE to MAHARISHI for the incredible HEAVENLY PLACE HE HAS
> CREATED HERE!!!! They ALL with no exception credit HIM with A" HUGE
> TRANSFORMATION FOR THE WORLD" THEY ALL LOVE FAIRFIELD!!! They all 
> give
> gratitude to HIM, for the atmosphere here.
> The majority of people who got their dome badges were not asked the
> incredibly difficult questions I was asked, so they did not have to
> lie face to face to someone, so they seem to feel justified that 
they
> are in some ridiculous way to me, not lying to anyone,  but I feel
> they are lying to themselves. That to me is the "GREATEST SIN OF 
ALL"
> Also that they are not being honest to MAHARISHI!!! hurts my 
heart.  
> I
> feel they are betraying what they believe in, and how they choose 
to
> live their  lives, "WHEN NO ONE IS WATCHING." They are not honoring
> the GRACE and BLESSINGS they have been given from so many BEAUTIFUL
> ENLIGHTENED BEINGS. What an insult to those saints, what an insult 
to
> Maharishi to misrepresent themselves, just because they didn't "GET
> CAUGHT," Just becauce they were not put through this test, they can
> justify this betrayal.  They are too scared or intimidated to 
stand 
> up
> for what they believe in, they are so worried about being exposed,
> about losing their "precious Dome Badge" Yet they are truly only
> "FOOLING THEMSELVES." GOD BLESS THEM ALL TO REALIZE THIS FOOLISH
> MISTAKE!
> 
> I hope this letter was heartfelt, And that you read it in
> non-judgement and that you receive some guidance from Maharishi 
how 
> to
> handle this situation.
> I have a few suggestions for You:
>                                      1. Give a DOME BADGE to
> whomsoever asks for one...
>                                          All Siddhas should 
> be "WELCOME".
> 
>                                      2. Require only this: that 
while
> one is in the DOME,
>                                          they only do the 
prescribed
> DOME PROGRAM...
> 
>                                      3. That everyone's personal
> choices regarding
>                                          Spiritual Matters remain
> their own and are
>                                          TOTALLY
> RESPECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The choices made
>                                          should not interfere with
> anyone's "Dome Acceptance"
> 
> 
>                                      4. That a soul's choice of a
> "Personal Guru" is not
>                                          forced   upon them...That
> they can love and respect
>                                          Maharishi and do his
> programs, and yet have their
>                                          own "Personal Guru".
> 
>                                      5. That The MOVEMENT is BIG 
> ENOUGH TO
>                                          EMBRACE ALL SAINTS AS ONE
> EXPRESSION OF
>                                          THE SAME
> DIVINITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> ALL GLORY TO GURU DEV AND ALL GLORY TO DIVINITY IN ALL BEINGS!!!
> ALL GLORY TO  ALL THE MOVEMENTS DEDICATED TO DIVINITY
> With MY DEEPEST LOVE FOR ALL EXPRESSIONS OF DIVINITY
> 
> Shiva Ma Ryan
> {formerly Jeanne Lynn Ryan or {Jeanne Ryan Borden- {married name}
> 
> 
> >"dhamiltony2k5" 
> > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > A lasting peace and reconciliation?  Reconciling the 
> >numbers, 
> > > >what 
> > > > > would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile
> > > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, 
> >what 
> > > >could
> > > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the 
> > TMorg 
> > > > > with its meditators?
> > > 
> > > The defining terms of the TMorg guidelines are still the same, 
> > >that 
> > > people must `sever all connection with other saints to 
> > > participate'.  That people sever all other spiritual practices 
> >of 
> > > other saints and that people never reestablish a connection 
with 
> > > other saints or the spiritual practices of other saints.  That 
> > > people must put this all in writing to join.
> > > 






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