--- In [email protected], steven klayman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Gerbal 88-You are out of your mind if you think you
> are going to be able to engage in an inteligent
> discourse with Sparaig. He spends much of his day
> defending a position that almost everybody has
> abandoned years or decades ago- namely that TM is the
> best technique and produces enlightenment.



Actually, he doesn't.

Spare Egg spends most of his day defending present-day TMO policies, 
NOT so much either the TM Technique or the TM Program.

And please note: Spare Egg does NOT regularly practise either the TM 
technque or its ancillary programs.

As for TM being the best technique around and that it produces 
enlightenement, I plead guilty to that position...and I'll defend it 
anytime (although I never, ever feel a need to do that much 
here...people know pretty much where I stand on it and I know where 
they stand).

Having said that, I am and will continue to be critical of the TMO 
and MMY for their myriad of silly policies and pronouncements.





> Almost
> everybody(can I see the hands) knows TM does Not
> produce enlightenment. They have been on 5 or 6 5-8
> year programs and are still waiting for cc after 30
> years. If TM makes you smarter they would have already
> figured it out. They havent. Millions have learned TM.
> If it takes 5-8 years can you show me 50% who have
> gotten enlightened? How about 25%? How about 10%? 1%?
> .1?.o1%? 
> Oh , somebody claims to have flown. Show me one person
> who can fly.Just one, please. After 30 years. 
> Arent there references thru out history of some who
> could fly? They were not doing the TM Sidhis program
> therefore I must conclude that the only ones who can
> fly dont do TM sidhis therefore TM sidhis prevent
> flying. This is an example of reverse Sparaig logic.
> I was emailed by a former FFLife person who said to me
> "Why are you trying to reason with morons?" He was
> right . You cant. It is like trying to talk to
> fundamentalist christians, or fundamentalist muslims.
> They are beyond considering another point of view.
> TM is a wonderful technique. I love to meditate.
> Actually my meditations are much deeper since I
> started receiving deeksha. And finally I have been
> having some of the experiences that we talked about
> for 30 years since I received deeksha.
> Give it up Gerbal 88. Its a waste of bandwidth.They
> will get it when they get it. Like the rest of us.
> 
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