--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> 
wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<shempmcgurk@> 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" 
> > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Shemp:
> > > > > "So, yeah, I agree with many of your complaints about the 
TMO 
> > and 
> > > > MMY
> > > > > but in the interests of balance and fairness, you 
willingly 
> > went
> > > > > into that lifestyle that was the opposite of the TM 
Program. 
> > You
> > > > > can't now turn around and claim shock and awe for all the 
> > horrible
> > > > > things that the Movement turned out to be."
> > > > > 
> > > > > Me:
> > > > > I don't think MMY's instructions to his teachers and 
fulltime 
> > > > people
> > > > > can be characterized as the opposite of the TM program 
just 
> > > > because it
> > > > > is initially presented in another manor  meant to be 
effective
> > > > > marketing to the general public.  The first presentation 
of TM 
> > is 
> > > > not
> > > > > the only official way it is presented depending on what 
level 
> > of 
> > > > the
> > > > > organization you are on.  For example, I was tested on TTC 
on 
> > my
> > > > > feelings as I sang the puja.  Quizzed intensely about what 
> > > > feelings I
> > > > > had as I sang certain words in Sanskrit.  This is 
obviously a 
> > long 
> > > > way
> > > > > from the innocent practice of TM as presented in the intro 
> > lecture,
> > > > > but it was every bit as legitimate a part of MMY's program.
> > > > > 
> > > > > As you got closer and closer to MMY's inner circle the 
beliefs 
> > were
> > > > > presented as being purer without the need to interface 
with a
> > > > > skeptical public with marketing spin.  The inner circle 
around 
> > MMY
> > > > > ,with his absolute unquestioned authority, was set up 
exactly 
> > as he
> > > > > wished.  I think you are making an artificial distinction 
> > between 
> > > > MMY
> > > > > and TMO which he micromanages into what he desires, 
including 
> > the
> > > > > beliefs of his closest members.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ...and that's probably the #1 reason why his organisation is 
> > such a 
> > > > failure.
> > > > 
> > > > That's why I subscribe to Bob Brigante's prescription for 
many 
> > of 
> > > > the ills of the TMO: outside professionals should be hired 
to do 
> > > > things such as marketing.  I think it should be extended to 
all 
> > > > parts of his operations.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > A good part of the TMO is busy-work, IMHO. Chopra and 
Ayurveda. 
> > Hagelin and the NLP. 
> > > Bevan and, well, everything he does...
> > 
> > 
> > And what, pray tell, is "busy-work".  Is it like create-work 
> > programs like Hoover Dam that Roosevelt commissioned in the 
Great 
> > Depression?
> >
> 
> It's telling a disciple to run around in circles all day 
delivering a note that says to keep him 
> running in circles.


Just as I thought: much like Roosevelt's make-work programs.






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