--- In [email protected], "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "nablus108" <nablus108@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "nablus108" 
<nablus108@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > > <shempmcgurk@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > > As much as I detest Jimmy Carter, I respect him for what 
he 
> > > said 
> > > > > > after that botched attempt by the U.S. military to rescue 
> the 
> > > > > > hostages in Iran.  He said: I take full responsibility 
for 
> > > this.  
> > > > > > the buck stops here.
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > 
> > > > > So you really believe that these people, including that 
> > christian 
> > > > > fundamentalist peanutfarmer Carter knows the detailed 
working 
> > of 
> > > > > cause and effect ? To hear that fellow say " the buck stops 
> > here" 
> > > > > just makes me laugh.
> > > > 
> > > > What are you talking about?  "The buck stops here"
> > > > says nothing about cause and effect.
> > > 
> > > Yes it does.
> > 
> > No, it doesn't.
> > 
> > > Your president had no clue whatsoever about what caused 
> > > what.
> > 
> > Nor did he say anything about what caused what.
> > 
> > > To claim responsebility for a chain of events out of his 
> > > control is childish and immature, and sadly; very american.
> > 
> > You don't understand what "responsibility" means in
> > this context.  It doesn't mean "It was my fault, I
> > caused it."  It means, "I'm not going to try to blame
> > others for what happened on my watch."
> > 
> > > Probably what the world awaits is an american President of some 
> > > stature. Not that we have really high hopes.
> > 
> > "The buck stops here" is the highest stature
> > there is for a leader.
> 
> I respect that. But it does not mean that Carter had a clue of what 
> carmas was being manifested at the time - the reason I labeled 
> it "immature".

"Carmas" are irrelevant.  As I said, he wasn't talking
about cause and effect or who was to blame; in fact, he
was saying it didn't matter.  He was taking responsibility
for what had happened under his leadership *regardless* of
who was to blame, which is actually the *mature* thing to do.






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